Henry Cecil Schwarz - Help Please

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 Phylis May Schwarz was born 1892 in Paddington.  on the 1901 census she is living with her mother Emma, mis spelt as Schwary, brother James Arthur born 1883, and two sisters, and Grandmother Ann Maddocks.  Dad not listed but Emma,s status is married.  when Phylis married in 1891 she claims her father is James Arthur: deceased.  James Arthur was baptised in Paddington 1883 and his parents were Henry Civil  and Emma Schwarz.  the two sisters have the same father on their baptism and marriage records.

Emma Maddocks married Henry Cecil Schwarz  in Kensington 1883, I have looked for this marriage on ancestry but it has revealed nothing.  I can,t find Henry Cecil Schwarz anywhere on the census records. 

Please help me someone I am obviously missing something.

Thankyou

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Sorry Phylis May married in 1908.

[junev]

Hi,

Sorry I'm a little confused as you say the sisters gave the same details .. Daisy Ruby married in 1916 and she gave her father as Harry Cecil Schwarz a commercial traveller; James Arthur Schwarz was one of the witnesses.

Did James marry a Mabel Taylor as this person gave his father as Henry Schwarz - a traveller deceased?

Junev

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thankyou for your reply.

Yes james Arthur did marry Mabel helen Tailor, in an earlier census and on work records he also uses the name Arthur Scharz.

[junev]

Hi

1891

RG12 piece 2907  folio 5 page 3   Henry Schwary age 55 born Germany married (no wife with him), lodger Liverpool occupation commercial traveller

Junev

[nanny jan]

Hi,

I think the marriages available on Ancestry are from parish registers so if the marriage was in a Register Office or Synagaogue it will not be there.


There is a Henry C Schwarz (age 32 b Germany) on 1871 census living with the Irmscher family, St Giles, London.

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Nanny Jan

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Thankyou both so very much,  i will take a look at both entries.

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I have now received the marriage cert of Henry Cecil Schwarz and Emma Maddocks.  8th may 1883, St Stephens church, St Stephens Paddington. 

Henry is actually Henry Cecil Rosemont Schwarz age 24yrs occupation agent.  father James Schwarz occ Banker.

Any sighting.s of Henry or any info at all would be very much appreciated


Thankyou very much

[Valda]

Hi

Baptisms

18th February 1883 St Stephen Paddington born 4th January 1883
James Arthur Schwarz parents Henry Cecil Schwarz and Emma Schwarz, 10 Tavistock Crescent, father's occupation traveller

Births Mar 1883   
MADDOCKS    James Arthur         Kensington    1a   27

23rd August 1885 St Luke West Kilburn born 1st February 1884
Cecilia Grace Julia De Rosemont Schwarz parents Harry Cecil De Rosemont Schwarz and Emma De Rosemont Schwarz, 10 Tavistock Crescent, father's occupation commercial agent

Births Mar 1884 
DE ROSEMONT SCHWARZ    Cecilia Grace J         Kensington    1a   46

Marriage

2nd December 1916 St Mary Acton
Charles Brown 27 Bachelor Chaffeur Stanley Road Asford Middlesex Robert Brown (deceased) Coachman
Daisy Ruby Schwarz 27 Spinster 136 Avenue Road Acton Harry Cecil Schwarz Commercial Traveller
Both signed
Witnesses James Arthur Schwarz and George Brown

Births Dec 1889 
Schwarz    Daisy Ruby        Paddington    1a   57

Marriage

20th August 1902 St Luke Westbourne Park
John Chappuis 22 Bachelor Cab Proprietor 1 Burlington Mews John Chappuis (Deceased) Van Proprietor
Cecila Grace Julia de Rosemont Schwarz 18 Spinster 9 Shrewsbury Road Henry Schwarz (Deceased) Gentleman
Both signed
Witnesses James Vincent and C Ses?
   
Births Mar 1892 
Schwarz    Phillis May         Paddington    1a   29

Death

Deaths Jun 1905   
Schwarz    Emma    44    Paddington    1a   30


Have you the birth certificates of the last two children? Was Henry still with the family?


Regards

Valda