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INDIA: SUMNER Calcutta INDIA
« on: Sunday 24 April 05 16:33 BST (UK) »
 I'm stuck ! I have the marriage certificate of Elizabeth Sumner in June 1843, both bride and grooms ages are given as full. I know from subsequent census that Elizabeth was born in Calcutta.
Her father is given as Thomas William Sumner - Merchant.

On the Fibris site I found 'bonds' for a Thomas William Sumner - 4 in all, two give London surety addresses - Percival Street, Clerkenwell (these may be father & son) one gives Castle Court, Birchin Lane (no town given) and the last Charles Kerr, Devonshire Square, John Blunt Austin F ???
Is there any way I get a clue as to the place of birth for Thomas William Sumner  ? I have been unable to find any record of Elizabeth's birth using the India links, as she was probably born in Calcutta between 1820 - 1825. I am not even very sure the Thomas William on the bond IS her father but it seems likely.
I need some 'fresh' ideas !!

Many thanks

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Re: INDIA: SUMNER Calcutta INDIA
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 16 August 05 21:13 BST (UK) »
The Times, Friday, Jan 18, 1828; pg. 3; Issue 13492; col F
As part of a case of fraudulent exportation of guns (marked with the name of a gunsmith who did not make them) is mentioned:

In May, 1824, Mr Thomas Wm Sumner ordered of the defendant three guns and 37 cases, and requested his assistance in the exportation to the East Indies of these and some other articles, which he (Sumner) was about to purchase; that the defendant having acceded to this, Sumner afterwards sent to the defendent a variety of fowling pieces, pistols, and other articles, which were packed up and shipped upon the Pyramus, and that the shipment was paid for by Mr Sumner.

Could this be her father?  'M' and 'W' can be easily misread for each other in old registers:

Marriage Date     26 - Sep   
Marriage Year     1816   
Husband First Names     T.M.   
Husband Surname     Sumners   
Wife First Names     J.   
Wife Surname     Walker   
Entry     Mr. T.M. Sumners, to Miss J. Walker   
Transcribed by     FIBIS Volunteers   

IOR Reference     None   
Source Name     East India Register   
Source Year     1818   
Source Edition     1   
Source Presidency     Bengal   
Source Event     Marriage   

To match this:


Birth Date     7 - Aug   
Birth Year     1817   
Baptised Surname     Sumners   
Sex     Male   
Transcribed By     FIBIS Volunteers   
Entry     Mrs. T. W. Sumners, of a son.   

LDS Film Reference     None   
IOR Reference     None   
Source Name     East India Register   
Source Year     1819   
Source Edition     1   
Source Presidency     Bengal   
Source Event     Birth   

and could this be Elizabeth?

Birth Date     23 - Aug   
Birth Year     1818   
Baptised Surname     Sumners   
Sex     Female   
Transcribed By     FIBIS Volunteers   
Entry     Mrs. Sumners, of a daughter.   

LDS Film Reference     None   
IOR Reference     None   
Source Name     East India Register   
Source Year     1820   
Source Edition     1   
Source Presidency     Bengal   
Source Event     Birth   

The Times, Tuesday, Jul 06, 1824; pg. 4; Issue 12383; col A
an advertisment mentions T.W. Sumner, Esq, India-merchant, Tavistock Square, and of Birchin-lane.

The Times, Tuesday, Jun 15, 1824; pg. 4; Issue 12365; col A
on the 14th inst., the lady of T.W. Sumner, of a son.

The Times, Saturday, Apr 09, 1825; pg. 4; Issue 12623; col B
on the 8th inst, at 2. Tavistock Place, Tavistock Square, the infant son of T.W. Sumners, aged 9 months.

-This is probably Henry Williams Sumner, b. 14 JUN 1824  chrs. 13 JUL 1824       Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England, son of Thomas Williams Sumner and Jane.

Guildhall Library: Records of Sun Fire Office [MS 11936/496]
FILE - Policy register - ref.  MS 11936/496  - date: 1823-1824
   item:  [no title] - ref.  MS 11936/496/1019283  - date: 29 July 1824
      hit[from Scope and Content] Insured: Thomas William Sumner 3 Tavistock Place Tavistock Square gent
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: INDIA: SUMNER Calcutta INDIA
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 27 August 05 22:30 BST (UK) »
Many thanks to Liverpool Annie for alerting me to this post !!And many thanks to jorose - how did you find all that ?

I haven't looked at my family history stuff for ages (present family taking up my time) but I'll have to pick it up again after this !!!

I thought I would have to go to the British library to get to this stage and after the problems I London I was less than keen !

I'm going to get the files out and see how this all fits....

Thanks again  :)

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Re: INDIA: SUMNER Calcutta INDIA
« Reply #3 on: Friday 30 December 05 14:23 GMT (UK) »
I should be tidying my home office  but off course I have found this stuff and I'm hooked again !!!

I have been looking at Fibris etc and wonder if there is any realistic way to go any further back, find out about the Sumners and where they originate from (London or elsewhere)
Also the same for Elizabeth's mother - possibly Jane Walker (if I have understood correctly) or have I come to the end of this line ?

Any suggestions of other places to look gratefully received