Toni*’s OH Sc Hunt part 9

[janan]

The only candidate I can see for the Susan Unwin dying age 74 in 1912 is always Unwin and gives her birthplace on censuses as Quendon Essex - a widow by 1901 she is previously married to Alfred Unwin living in Camberwell. So not Annie Susan.

Jan

[toni*]

well if she didn't die then she must have gone abroad under a pseudonym or her own name she may simply be listed as Mrs Urwin / Irwin
but i think she would show up on the US census or Austrialian records if she used her own name she may have gone to New Zealand  or India in fact she could have gone anywhere?

I don't think Seymour is a name we have come across before.

 

[janan]

well if she didn't die then she must have gone abroad under a pseudonym or her own name she may simply be listed as Mrs Urwin / Irwin
but i think she would show up on the US census or Austrialian records if she used her own name she may have gone to New Zealand  or India in fact she could have gone anywhere?

I don't think Seymour is a name we have come across before.

 

She could also have remained in the UK but under a different name

Jan

[toni*]

yes i didnt think of that

there is only one thing that bugs me and that is that Annie Susans family obviously approved of Alfred Urwins remarriage so she had therefore , i assume, lost contact with them / fallen out of favour with them / disappeared.

another thing is that later Georgette and Rosina use the name Cullmer and not Urwin to marry.
Now Georgette i understand she was at least 8 when her mother disappeared and would have remembered her and may not have got on with Sarah Skidmore Hudson and thus used the name Cullmer her mmn. but Rosina was only a baby b. 1866 Mother disappeared 1866 - April 1869
would she really remember her mother ?
she obviously looked up to her big sister Georgette

 

[regross]

hi,
 I considered the possibility that Annie Susan might have left her husband and taken up with someone else,  possibly emigrated and died under his name either in the UK or overseas.

 But of course the presence of her family at his second marriage would seem to put an end to that consideration, unless of course she was disowned by them for something she may have done (unlikely of course).

Of course there is also the possibilty that her surname at death has been dreadfully transcribed  not resembling any of teh possible names you have been looking at.

I will continue to think and search for Annie Susan

Robyn

[toni*]

it also occured to me that Annie Susan may have remarried and had a different surname but still she would have had the name Annie Susan. and may have had little Elizabeth Selina with her for whom i cannot find abirth
maybe she was registered under femal ?

is there anyway to search for a death for Annie Susan with a birth year of 1835 ? remember that after 1866 ages were given so what if she died giving bith to Rosina Sarah (christened 11 May 1866)

another question because she is recorded as the childrens mother at their christening does this mean she was actually present ?

and one more thing Georgette Urwin was born 1858 and i think that Annie Susan and Alfred married in 1859 so is Georgettes father not Alfred then ?

[Aceh]

I was in town today so this afternoon I visited the LMA seeking properly to dispatch Annie Susan:

1. Workhouse & Workhouse infirmary records - apparently the LMA's records don't start until around 10 years after we need them.

2. Outer London cemeteries - by the 1860s all of the London church yards were full of course. Records not held by the LMA - one has to go to the actual cemetery and beg to be able to check its mouldering unindexed ledgers! Not on line as far as the LMA knows. 

[Aceh]

Toni,

Annie Susan was baptised (along with her elder brother George Isaac) in 1833. It was Alfred, who from census data, appears to have been born in 1835. I can find no baptism record in Dover for him and of course they are all before BMD registration was introduced.

[toni*]

does any one know if their are records for the London Road-car Company ?

i found this on google

http://www.victorianlondon.org/publications6/horse-01.htm


 a bit about horses in London where it mentions it but i was looking for actual records

as thats where Warren worked