Help with an Ontario marriage

[JillMD]

I have been stuck for awhile on my great grandfather, James Beatty. I'm trying to find his marriage certificate, to ascertain information about his parents and his wife's parents. He married Jane (Jennie) Thomas in 1857 in Ontario. From what I can glean, there are 2 James Beatty families in Cobourg, Ontario at the time. My ggrandfather is from the Irish Church of England family, not related to the mayor Beatty (Scottish Methodist). My ggfather's family was a family of farmers and harness racers. The farm mentioned on this webpage has been verified as the farm my grandfather (Charles) grew up on. http://cobourghistory.ca/industry.htm

I know that my ggrandfather and his family moved to Saskatchewan in the early 1900's, and I've got good info for everything after that. It is prior to the birth of James and Jane's first son, James (junior?)  that I cannot find anything. My grandfather's marriage in Weston, Ontario in 1913 was witnessed by a James Thomas, so I would assume that Jane Thomas had at least one brother in Canada who had children. I suspect James Thomas is her nephew. There is some question whether Jane was born in Canada or Ireland.

My ggrandfather's obituary lists the marriage date as 1857 and that he was born in Canada (Ontario).  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[AMBLY]

Hi JillMD

What was the approx. birth date of james (and Jane)?

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Hi JillMD

I'm wondering if the 1857 marriage date might be incorrect - unless there were two couples names James BEATTIE & Jane THOMAS!?

BIRTH:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~births/Be_Surnames.htm
(Northumberland & Durham Co) BEATTY, James, m, b. Nov. 14, 1869,
father : James BEATTY, farmer,
Mother: Jane THOMAS,
infm – father, Hamilton Twp

BIRTH:
Transcript from original
(Northumberland & Durham Co) BEATTY, Jane Elizabeth, f, b 5 mar 1871
Father:  James BEATTY, farmer,
mother : Jane THOMAS,
infm – father, Lot 10, Con. A, Hamilton Twp

1871: Hamilton Twp, Northumberland West, Ontario
Head: James BEATTIE 27, b Ontario, Farmer, Irish, Weslyan Methodist
Wife: Jane 25, b Ontario
Son: James 1
Dau: Jane Elizabeth 1 mth

This couple would not have been old enough to marry in 1857 ??

In 1881, this same family in Hamilton, with more children including Charles who looks to be a match for your grandfather who married in 1913.

Is this James in 1861 - prior to marriage, with his siblings & widowed mother:
Hamilton Twp, Northumberland, Upper Canada
John BEATTY 24, farmer, single, b W Canada CE
Jane BEATTY 56, b Ireland, NC
Samuel BEATTY 21, Labourer, single, b W Canada, religion: CE
Elizabeth BEATTY 28, single, b Ireland, CE
James BEATTY 18, labourer, single, b W Canada CE
George BEATTY 15, single, b W Canada CE
Mary Jane BEATTY 13, single, b W Canada CE


Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

1871:
Hamilton Twp, Northumberland, Upper Canada
John BEATTY 32, b Ontario, Farmer, single, Irish, CE
And in the next household:
George BEATTY 25, b Ontario, single, Farmer, Irish, Weslyan Methodist
Jane BEATTY 60, b Ireland, widow, Irish, Weslyan Methodist
Samuel BEATTY 30,  b Ontario, single, Farmer, Irish, Weslyan Methodist
Mary Jane BEATTY 21,  b Ontario, single, Irish, Weslyan Methodist

It  looks like, the daughter Mary Jane (your James' sister?)  married in 1876:

MARRIAGE: 11 Oct 1876, Hamilton Township, Northumberland & Durham, Ontario
Calvin MINAKER 31, Bachelor, Resident of Cobourg, merchant
Parents: Peter & Patience MINAKER
And
Mary Jane BEATTY 26, Spinster, Resident of Hamilton Twp,
Parents: John & Jane BEATTY
Witness: George BEATTY of Hamilton Twp, and E NOBLE of Haldamind Twp.

And Jane BEATTY (your James' mother?) died in 1879:

DEATH: 26 Oct 1879, Hamilton Twp, Northumberland
Jane BEATTY 76, farmers widow, b Ireland, methodist
Cod: Diabetes lingering 3.5yrs.
Informant: John BEATTY, Veterany Surgeon, Cobourg

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

I'd hazard a guess, that this is Jane THOMAS in 1861:

Haldimand Twp, Northumberland
James THOMAS 50, Farmer, b Ireland, Irish, Religion: FC
Elizabeth THOMAS 40, b England, FC
Mary THOMAS 17, b West Canada, FC
Jane THOMAS 15, b West Canada, FC
James THOMAS 19, Labourer, b West Canada, FC
Elizabeth THOMAS 6, b West Canada, FC
Richard THOMAS 5, b West Canada, FC

Cheers
AMBLY

[polarbear]

This looks like the same Thomas family in 1852 ....

http://automatedgenealogy.com/census52/SplitView.jsp?id=13961

PB

[JillMD]

Hi and thanks for all of the replies. Everyone seems to be running into the same problem as me with the 2 James Beatty families. The family I'm looking for is church of england, not methodist. The offspring of my James and Jane (called Jenny by the family) are: James, Jane, George, Richard, William, Louise, Daisy, Charles Thomas and Mrs. Chisholm. This information has been confirmed by family and is listed in Jenny's obituary April 24, 1918 age 71 4mo 28 days. Her grave and the graves of several of the children are visible in the Saskatchewan cemetary project. James died in 1915. (The lovely lady, Donna Eckhart, who has photographed much of the Yorkton cemetary told me the family takes up much of a section of the cemetary!)

I know that Jenny died of TB and I believe the marriage date is right (within a year or two).   The intermingling of names James, Thomas has made this challenging. I do know that there is no Samuel in the family.  I think Ambly may be onto something with the Thomas family - as the naming convention fits with family first names. I believe I'm the only one in my family who has looked into the Thomas family and I know nothing about them other than they're of Irish origins, and that there was a James Thomas as witness to my grandfather's marriage, so I'm not sure how I'll confirm information.

What religion is FC?

My search to find this information was very quick, and I quickly found and got in touch with newfound 2nd cousins who were able to confirm that they'd gotten to the same point as my search with no further sucess.  I appreciate everyone's hard work - this has been a frustrating search thus far for me.

[polarbear]

Looks like Mrs Chisholm is Margaret Ann. She registered Daisy's birth in 1926.

PB

[cosmac]

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008177992.jpg
Image for the 1881 census referred to by Ambly and the same family in 1891
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ii5/

Births registered in Hamilton township Northumberland county with parents James Beattie, farmer, and Jane Thomas in addition to those found by Ambly
George Alfred 14 Jan 1875
Louisa Amelia 2 Jul 1880
Margaret Ann 28 Nov 1881
Daisy 29 Jul 1888 Cobourg (late registration from Yorkton, Sask)
Charles Thomas 4 Jul 1873

Debbie