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Re: Help with an Ontario marriage
« Reply #9 on: Friday 16 December 11 03:31 GMT (UK) »
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=112414&highlight=22&desc=1901+Census+of+Canada+page+containing+James+Bestia

1901 census for Yorkton
Jane's DOB is given as 1847.  Seems that the obituary might be the record that is not accurate in relation to the date of the marriage.

 Debbie

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Re: Help with an Ontario marriage
« Reply #10 on: Friday 16 December 11 04:12 GMT (UK) »
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=112414&highlight=22&desc=1901+Census+of+Canada+page+containing+James+Bestia

1901 census for Yorkton
Jane's DOB is given as 1847.  Seems that the obituary might be the record that is not accurate in relation to the date of the marriage.

 Debbie

I wonder why it shows the name as Bestia, when I know that previously and after it was (and still is) Beatty?  It is shocking, as that is my grandfather's birthdate - 4 July (I gave birth to his great grandson, Charles on 4 July) :)
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Re: Help with an Ontario marriage
« Reply #11 on: Friday 16 December 11 04:22 GMT (UK) »
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008177992.jpg
Image for the 1881 census referred to by Ambly and the same family in 1891
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ii5/

Births registered in Hamilton township Northumberland county with parents James Beattie, farmer, and Jane Thomas in addition to those found by Ambly
George Alfred 14 Jan 1875
Louisa Amelia 2 Jul 1880
Margaret Ann 28 Nov 1881
Daisy 29 Jul 1888 Cobourg (late registration from Yorkton, Sask)
Charles Thomas 4 Jul 1873

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Yes, those are my grandfather and some of his siblings. I have confirmed that via correspondence with my relatives in SK. :)
I'm looking forward to seeing the family cemetary plot this coming summer.  Now, how can I find their grandparents or more information about their parents James and Jane?






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Re: Help with an Ontario marriage
« Reply #12 on: Friday 16 December 11 05:28 GMT (UK) »
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I wonder why it shows the name as Bestia, when I know that previously and after it was (and still is) Beatty?
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If you use the split screen option at the top of the 1901 census page you can view the original handwritten page.  When people transcribe it is often hard to tell what the name actually is.  You are supposed to transcribe exactly what has been written - or your best interpretation of what has been written.

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The family in 1852 that Ambly posted as a possibility of James' family in 1861 census.  Same younger children and mother.

If you start tracking down the marriages of these possible siblings for James you might be able to find, from a marriage or death record, the maiden name of Jane and/or where they were born in Ireland. 

Debbie


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Re: Help with an Ontario marriage
« Reply #13 on: Friday 16 December 11 06:05 GMT (UK) »
MARRIAGE: 11 Oct 1876, Hamilton Township, Northumberland & Durham, Ontario
Calvin MINAKER 31, Bachelor, Resident of Cobourg, merchant
Parents: Peter & Patience MINAKER
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Mary Jane BEATTY 26, Spinster, Resident of Hamilton Twp,
Parents: John & Jane BEATTY
Witness: George BEATTY of Hamilton Twp, and E NOBLE of Haldamind Twp

Ambly gave details of the above marriage.

Mary Jane Minaker b. Jan 3, 1849 and d. Sep 12, 1912 at Cobourg Hospital.  Her parents are given as John Beatty, b. Ireland and Jane Grandy, b. Ire.  Someone might like to check to see if they agree that Grandy is the correct interpretation of the last name.

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Re: Help with an Ontario marriage
« Reply #14 on: Friday 16 December 11 07:12 GMT (UK) »

What religion is FC?


According to this website:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~canon/research-topic-church-religion.html

The Census abbreviation of FC stands for Free Church an off-shoot of Presbyterian.

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Re: Help with an Ontario marriage
« Reply #15 on: Friday 16 December 11 07:14 GMT (UK) »
Hello

Mary Crandall has transcribed marriages for Cobourg in 1858. A.N. Bethune performed the ceremonies for the Church of England at that time.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maryc/northumb.htm

Biography A.N. Bethune
From 1847 to 1850 he visited about 127 churches and mission stations, in an area that extended westward through the province from Oshawa.
http://biographi.ca/009004-119.01-e.php?id_nbr=4831

1852 - Ontario County is created from York County and includes the townships of ... Oshawa (Village) is attached to Ontario County.

I would suggest checking the marriage registers for Ontario County part of Home District for your marriage.

District Registers - Newcastle includes Cobourg; however, 1857 doesn't exist. Home District includes Ontario County and Oshawa where A.N. Bethune would travel from to the outlying communities and registers exist for 1857.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0iid/

County Marriage Registers - 1858 - June 1869
Northhumberland County includes Cobourg
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0iic/

The microfiche can be borrowed via interlibrary loans. Note: There are many gaps in pre-1869 marriage records.

Linda
Dorman, Waite, Moore, Clark/Clarke, Neil, Rennie/Rainey, Brown, Mclean, Day, Millar/Miller, Gunion/Gunzion, Thomson, Black, Milvain, McCubbin, Steadman, Kirby

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Re: Help with an Ontario marriage
« Reply #16 on: Monday 19 December 11 12:42 GMT (UK) »
Ambly, you're right - too young to marry in 1857 - I typo'd that - it was 1867. ugh. Sorry for sending you on a wild goosechase.

Here's a transcript of my ggrandfather's obit: (1915)

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Obituary of James Beatty
“The death occurred at his home here on Thursday last, July 22 of James Beatty, aged 74 years, after a lingering illness.  The funeral took place on Sunday,  service being conducted in Holy Trinity church by the Rev J. G. Matthews of Saltcoats, followed by interment in Yorkton cemetery.  A large concourse of relatives and friends from all sections of the district followed the remains to their last resting place, testifying to the esteem and respect in which deceased was held.
The late Mr. Beatty was born in Cobourg Ontario and in 1867 married Jennie Thomas who, with a family of five sons and four daughters is still left to mourn his loss.  In 1899 he came West, settling in the Wallace district where he resided until two years ago when he retired and moved to Yorkton.  He proved a successful farmer and with his sons acquired considerable valuable land.  He was a great lover of good horses and for many years was prominent in local racing circles, taking an active part in the annual races at the Yorkton fair and similar events.
His sons Messrs James, Charles, George, Richard and William and his son-in-law Mr. Chisholm acted as pall-bears.  All are well known residents of the Yorkton district as are also his daughters the Misses Jennie, Louise, Daisy and Mrs Chisholm.”
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Sure wish it mentioned "son of -------- and ------."  Thank you all for your help - I will pursue James' siblings in hopes of finding his parents.  Now that I know (thanks to the help you all have provided here) how to find a resource library, I'll try going the microfiche way. Crazy how very few of James and Jennie's children married (by my  count I think 4 married -I wonder if that's common during that era in rural Canada - (sure glad my granddad did!)
 
 

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Re: Help with an Ontario marriage
« Reply #17 on: Monday 19 December 11 12:46 GMT (UK) »
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I wonder why it shows the name as Bestia, when I know that previously and after it was (and still is) Beatty?
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If you use the split screen option at the top of the 1901 census page you can view the original handwritten page.  When people transcribe it is often hard to tell what the name actually is.  You are supposed to transcribe exactly what has been written - or your best interpretation of what has been written.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0iia/
The family in 1852 that Ambly posted as a possibility of James' family in 1861 census.  Same younger children and mother.

If you start tracking down the marriages of these possible siblings for James you might be able to find, from a marriage or death record, the maiden name of Jane and/or where they were born in Ireland. 

Debbie

Debbie, I believe you may be onto something with the 1861 census. I will try running down some of the siblings. THank you!