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Offline Liz_in_Sussex

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1841 unclear census
« on: Tuesday 27 December 11 17:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I am having trouble reading the occupation and first name of someone in 1841.  He is transcribed on Ancestry as "James Hayward Pritchard" although I think it is quite clear that although he is in a household with Pritchards, his surname is only Hayward.  His first name is transcribed as James ... but I don't agree.  :o

In this extract he is the third from the bottom.  Also, am I right in thinking he was not born in county?

It was actually George Pritchard that brought me to this census - and I was interested to see him living with someone who shared the name of his future Grand-son-in-law!

Thank you!

Liz  :D

PS The reference is Class: HO107; Piece 1145; Book: 4; Civil Parish: Birmingham; County: Warwickshire; Enumeration District: 12; Folio: 23; Page: 4
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Re: 1841 unclear census
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 December 11 17:06 GMT (UK) »
Jn for John perhaps?   Coach maker?  I am sure it is a no for not born in county as the Y is much clearer in the entries above.
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Re: 1841 unclear census
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 27 December 11 17:08 GMT (UK) »
 :D

That was quick - I definitely thought John - and I wondered about something to do with coaches!  I was also hoping he wasn't born in county as I think he may come from Shropshire!  :D

Thanks very much,

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Re: 1841 unclear census
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 27 December 11 17:31 GMT (UK) »
I agree with Coach Maker but the christian name, I think, could be either Jno ( John) or Jas ( James). A very difficult one to read!

Jen
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SCT: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NRY: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
WES; Dickenson Jackson Ewbank Waller
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Re: 1841 unclear census
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 27 December 11 21:32 GMT (UK) »
 :o Oh dear!  I was hoping for John - but I see how it could be James - as the transcriber has put.

Thank you for replying!

Liz  :D
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Re: 1841 unclear census
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 27 December 11 21:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi  :)

I read it as Jn (for John) Hayward and another  site transcribes him as this. A further site has transcribed him as just J Hayward, although the person below him - who seems to have the same first name as him - is transcribed as Jn May.


James would normally be abbreviated as  Jas


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PS - not born county  :)
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Re: 1841 unclear census
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 27 December 11 21:59 GMT (UK) »
I agree that it is most likely Jn but I honestly think it could be Jas.

And yes, born out of county.

Jen
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ESS: Howe French Cant Annis Noakes Turner Marshall Makerow Duck Spurden Harmony
SCT: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NRY: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
WES; Dickenson Jackson Ewbank Waller
STS: White
SRY: Knight
DUR: Smith Littlefair
HAM: Williams Grose Lush Venson

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Re: 1841 unclear census
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 27 December 11 22:47 GMT (UK) »
The J-whatever seems repeated on the entry underneath Hayward  J- May Or Nay

Have a look at other pages to see if the census recorder made some larger more clearer Ja's Jn'o Jo. They maybe is the area on the 1851c
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Re: 1841 unclear census
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 28 December 11 08:22 GMT (UK) »
I have looked at other pages and oddly he seems to have written the names in full on some occasions.  Is it worth trying to trace Jn May later?
Andrea
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