Will the real Mary Simpson please stand up *Complete*

[2zpool]

I wonder if one of the "marriages" of Mary Simpson to Ralph Young wasn't the first date that banns were announced?

Having two with the same age in the 1841 census does not mean they were twins.  The ages after 15 were rounded DOWN to the closest divisor of 5 So Mary could have been 30 up to 34 years old and William Hope 30 to 34 years.  The surname Hope comes from one of the Marys mother's  maiden name so 20 or more years older.  Maybe William is a cousin or no relation at all.

Baptisms at Auckland St. Helen:

William Young baptised 3 Apr 1832 s/o Ralph and Mary

Betsey Young (Elizabeth?) baptised 8 Jun 1834 d/o Ralph and Mary

To help out looking please identify which Auckland area parish church we are to look.  Escomb, St. Andrew. St. Helen or another

Okrobie needs to answer some of the questions before we look farther or go up a wrong path.

Ikrobie--need names of all children that you know.  There are some more unusual names in one of the families.  These do help identify/sort families

Janis

[okrobie]

Wiggy, Here are the two Mary's marrying the two Ralph's from FamilySearch:

Mary Simpson
England Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage:   14 May 1831 (Saturday)   St. Helen-​Auckland,​ Durham,​ England
spouse:   Ralph Young
   
Mary Simpson
England Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage:   17 Apr 1831 (Wednesday) Auckland-​St. Helen,​ Durham,​ England
spouse:   Ralph Young

2zpool, Thanks for your input. The one in April was not listed as banns although there could be a transcription error, but we do know that there were two Mary Simpson's in the same parish. I looked up the day of the week for each date and listed them. I don't know if it was common to marry during the week. Banns are usually announced on Sunday. I can't imagine a coal miner getting a Wednesday off.

The child that I started with was William, although I am aware of Betsey (Elizabeth?) I can't prove which pair she is from. They are all from Auckland St Helen parish. It does look "Hopeful" that they are from the family in 1941 but it begs the question as to what happened to the other Mary & Ralph. What other questions can I answer?

Thanks again to you both.

[2zpool]

My index of marriages for Co. Durham 1813-1837 has only 2 Ralph Young marriages, one to Jane Gibson in Auckland St. Andrew in 1830 and one to Mary Simpson in May 1831 in Auckland St Helen.

Auckalnd St. Helen:  14 May 1831 Ralph Young, of Escomb, married Mary Simpson, of this parish, by banns
Witnesses: Barbary Simpson, William Davison, clerk

[Wiggy]

Hi Janis,

 - I can only find the Ralph Young and Jane Gibson marriage as a second in Auckland St Helens too - Thanks for that clearing up - I don't have the indexes - just what I can find on the web.

Okrobie,  I found those two marriages on Family search, but I went back to check I could find only a whole different set of people altogether - (this has happened before and I find it very confusing - put in the same data and out comes a different lot of info)   

And yes I am aware that William Hope would be from Elizabeth's generation.     Maybe I didn't make that clear.     

It is very confusing isn't it!   

Interesting that Barbary Simpson was a witness - extra fuel for the 1841 family, with repeat of the name Barbar(a)

What other questions can I answer?

I think most of them have been answered in the course of this search - but if you supply as much info as you can in the initial search it gives a few more pointers as to where to start looking

e.g. we now have name of parish, name of another child (William)

Did this family emigrate okrobie?    Have you found them in later censuses?

Wiggy     

[okrobie]

Thanks Wiggy and Janice.
They show up in 1841,1851 and 1861.

There is another "Barbary" down the line. She was Barbara Ann Young (b.27 Dec 1861) Her nickname was Barbary. She emigrated To the US in 1887 with her husband William Robson and two children.

All that is well and good, but unless I'm missing something, am I not still stuck with the original dilemma?

I still need to know who to list as the parent(s) of Ann Simpson. (See my original post) Is she the one with both parents or is she the illegitimate one?

Thanks again for your patience and skill. Jim Robson

[Wiggy]

Seems to me that your Mary is the one born to Richard and Elizabeth - names seem to continue down the tree - or don't they - am I also missing something? - (says she from the middle of jam making!!  -  so it is possible!!)     


Wiggy

[Wiggy]

Now I have missed something - are we not looking for Mary Simpson??       

Wiggy

[okrobie]

We have found her, but I want to really tag her parent(s) and her date of birth or Baptism. I'm still not sure of any proof that her parent(s) are one or the other.

Elizabeth is a recurring name but not Richard or Margaret. Is that enough evidence to hang my hat on?

[Wiggy]

Barbara also seems to be recurring from something you said.

And as you say, Margaret doesn't recur - so that would suggest she isn't Mary's mother maybe!   Re recurring Richard - Hmmm - don't know about that one - unless there was some reason to leave his name out - have you found Elisabeth Hope's parents  - or Richard's?  Might be worth a look            Sometimes you have to proceed on a hunch - until you can prove the hunch wrong!   I don't know but sometimes you just get a feeling that a family is correct - go with it unless something really comes up to show it is wrong - but leave room for it to be wrong

Cheers   

Wiggy