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Re: Glenlee House
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 15 January 12 09:23 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much for the image, Sancti and apanderson :)
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Re: Glenlee House
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 15 January 12 21:36 GMT (UK) »
This explains how the tall ship in the Clyde, the Glenlee, got its name.

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Re: Glenlee House
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 15 January 12 22:01 GMT (UK) »
I wonder what, if anything, was the connection between Archibald Sterling and Co Ltd, who commissioned the Glenlee, and the Burns/Cunard shipping company, with which James Cleland Burns was connected? You'd hardly think that a shipping company would name a ship after the home of one of its rivals.

Also it seems odd that it was built as a sailing vessel as late as the 1890s. By that time, I would have thought that commercial sailing ships were on the way out. Must pay it a visit and ask some questions.
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Re: Glenlee House
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 11 February 16 21:47 GMT (UK) »
Researching my family I found my great-grandfather Alexander Mathieson was a footman at Glenlee House when he got married in 1890,I actually live not far from where the house was.


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Re: Glenlee House
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 11 February 16 22:53 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Glenlee House
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 14 February 16 18:55 GMT (UK) »
A nice blurb on the ownerships.

Yes. Pity it's wrong.

The census records that the occupant in 1871 and 1891 was James Cleland Burns, not James Cleland. (In 1881 Burns and his family were in London and Glenlee was occupied by William Connell and family). James Cleland Burns (1832-1908) was the younger son of Sir George Burns (1795-1890) and Jane Cleland (1793-1877), who was a daughter of James Cleland (1770-1840), Superintendent of Public Works in Edinburgh and sometimes described as the 'father of statistics'. Sir George Burns was knighted in 1889, and his elder son John was 1st Lord Inverclyde and chairman of the Cunard shipping company.
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Re: Glenlee House
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 14 February 16 19:58 GMT (UK) »
There is an article in The Glasgow Herald dated 20 May 1863.

Potter V The Hamilton and Strathaven Railway Company.

Mr Alexander Potter owner of a house at Glenlee  made a claim for damages to his garden and pleasure garden caused by flooding during Jul-Sep 1861.

Either Mr Potter owned Glenlee House at this time or ,Glenlee was a residential area consisting of a number of houses

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Re: Glenlee House
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 14 February 16 20:56 GMT (UK) »
The Facebook article says, "In the year 1878 when Lewis Potter was Jailed, J Clelland, Chairman of the Cunard Steamship Company bought the mansion and owned it for over 20 years. The last recorded tenants in the house were the Burns family ...."

The error is that it was James Clelland Burns, not J Clelland, who bought the house and lived in it. I assume that they were already renting it in 1871 from Lewis Potter; that in 1881, having bought it three years earlier, they let it to William Connell while they were living in London; and that they returned to live in it by 1891.

According to the University of Strathclyde Archives web site Burns & Laird Lines Ltd, a subsidiary of Coast Lines, was formed in 1922 from the amalgamation of Laird Line and G & J Burns, two long established Glasgow companies which had pioneered steam services between Scotland and Ireland. The new company offered freight and passenger services between Scotland and Ireland. The company ceased to exist in the 1970s. Therefore the Facebook article is correct in saying that the Burns family who lived in Glenlee House were connected to the Burns Laird Shipping Company, but that company was clearly formed after the death of James Clelland Burns in 1908, and after the family had ceased to live at Glenlee House.

During the lifetime of James Clelland Burns, the Burns family owned and ran the shipping company G and J Burns. Their services to the Western Isles were sold to their nephew David MacBrayne and eventually became Caledonian MacBrayne. Many of their other services were amalgamated with various other companies that eventually became the Cunard shipping company.

It was Sir George Burns, and later his son John Burns, later Lord Inverclyde, not J Clelland (or even James Clelland Burns, the occupant of Glenlee House), who were the heid yins in the Cunard company.

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Re: Glenlee House
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 14 February 16 21:04 GMT (UK) »
In 1861 Lewis Potter (Shipping merchant) was living at Udston House

1865 VRs has this

1 1865 Owner Occupier   BURNS JAMES CLELLAND LAND GLENLEE / HAMILTON   

2 1865 Owner Occupier   BURNS JAMES CLELLAND HOUSE AND PORTERS LODGE GLENLEE / HAMILTON