McKenna and Harkin

[AuntieMomo]

Can't remember now which website I got killyloughavoy from but it was definitely that, in Errigal Trough.

Ardle seemed to be already married to his wife Elizabeth Harkins when they moved to Scotland.  All of their children were born in Scotland and they moved around quite a bit before settling in my home town and having my great-grandfather.

His first son William was born in 1849 in Alloa, Scotland so he would have left Ireland by 1860.  Possibly the Ardle you found a cousin?

The fact that he's called Ardle is quite handy because it's quite unusual.  He didn't have a son Ardle though.  But I don't know (yet) of any siblings or the definite names of his parents.  But I assume he left behind a lot of family.

[shanew147]

Can't remember now which website I got killyloughavoy from but it was definitely that, in Errigal Trough.
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you have to be careful with your sources and dates... otherwise this could turn out the be what I call circular research!  (i.e. inaccurate)

e.g. if the 'source' of that location originated from Griffith's then we are going around in circles as the Ardle on Griffith's seems to have been in Ireland in 1860.


Shane

[shanew147]

There's a death of an Ardle McKenna that fits that entry on Griffiths (the registration district fits) :

  Name: Ardle McKenna
  Registration district:   Clogher
  Event type: Death
  Year: 1869
  Age: 74    (est. year of birth 1795)
  Volume: 3 / Page :   89


Shane

[AuntieMomo]

I thought that I had used www.findmypast.ie but I've just tried it again, and got nothing for Ardle McKenna, perhaps it was Rootsireland or something.  I will have to double check but I didn't use Griffith for the information I got, although I did find an Ardle McKenna from Griffiths.  The document didn't have the date on it though, and I don't know much about the Griffiths valuation.

Since my extended family seemed to recycle all of their Christian names with each generation I am interested in the Ardle that you have found on Griffiths, Shane.  I will try and look at him...

Momo

[shanew147]

The version of Griffith's on AskAboutIreland shows the year of publication for each listing. see :

    http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

Depending on the area, the survey dates vary between about 1847 and 1864.


Shane

[rathmore]

http://www.filteromhat.com

Ardle McKenna, Killyloughavoy, errigal trough, monaghan

[rathmore]

sorry typed address wrong

http://www.failteromhat.com

[AuntieMomo]

Thanks for this, Rathmore.  I think I have the right link - an Ardle McKennah but it's from the 17th century so not my actual Ardle but very interested in the source information and that Ardle McKennah anyway since he's maybe my Ardle's forebear.  And there's other McKenna's too )

Thanks again 

mo

[AuntieMomo]

After discussing with another lady also researching Ardle McKenna, she suggested the possibility that Ardle travelled between Scotland and Ireland for work which may explain why his children were born in Scotland but an Ardle McKenna appears in the right place in Ireland in the Griffiths valuation.

I spoke with my Dad about this and he said that his father and brothers were taken to Ireland to work at least once that he knew of, by his grandfather (Ardle's son), so there must have been an ongoing connection.

So just wondering if Ardle appeared in the Scotland censuses/baptismal records but also managed to get himself on the Griffiths valuation by travelling back and forth for work.  The other researcher could not find the family on the 1851 Scotland census even though one of the children had been born in Scotland by then.

In one of the Scotland censuses Ardle was down as living in Nob Row, a place in the town where workers who replaced striking workers were housed, implying he was a migrant worker for a time before settling there.  I don't know, it's all speculation!