HULATT/HULET

[Alwina]

Can any one help please? I am tryying to find the parents and or siblings of James Hulatt/Hulet born abt 1800 Radwell/Felmersham. married Martha Long 28.12.1829 Felmersham.
Thanks
Alwina

[johnP-bedford]

Hi Alwina,  I have them in my tree as their daughter Millicent b 1854 married John Partridge in 1880 at Bletsoe. I have him born 1808 but have no baptism or parent's names for him. On the IGI, there are two possible baptisms done in Pavenham in 1801 or 1802.

Regards John 

[Alwina]

Hi John
Thanks. There seem to be several James Hulatt, though I am looking for him because of their daughter Millicent marrying John Partridge and their daughter Kate marrying Robert Jamieson. Which way are you going?
Regards
Alwina

[johnP-bedford]

Alwina, I am going neither way... John Partridge baptised Bletsoe 12/4/1857, son of Thomas P & Kezia Norman who married 1848. Thomas P born 1824, baptised 22/7/1827 Thurleigh is son of Joseph Partridge 1797 who is brother to my Gtx3 grandfather Richard Partridge 1792.

Regards John   

[bedfordshire boy]

It's a bit confusing as there are two James Hulatts marrying Marthas within three weeks of each other!

A clue might be that the couple living in Radwell, parents of Millicent, were in the household of Francis Hulatt, 70, in 1841.

Francis and Sarah Hulet baptised James in Felmersham on 24 Nov 1797. There's also a burial of James in Felmersham on 27 Nov 1797 - you would need to check the PR to see if he was described as son of Francis and Sarah.

Francis and Sarah seem to have given up baptising their children as there's at least one adult baptism - Joseph age 28 on 5 Jun 1831- and possibly a second , Robert, in 1829. I think that your James born c1808 in Felmersham, was probably an unbaptised son of Francis and Sarah. But proving it is another matter.

Francis 81 was buried at Felmersham on 5 March 1845, and Sarah age 48 on 5 Jan 1824 (actually there's another Sarah age 50 on 7 March 1819 who fits better given that they starting baptising children in 1792, but that needs checking with the PR)

David

[johnP-bedford]

David, I was checking out censuses earlier ...

In 1841, James 1816 & Martha 1815 Hulatt with Robert 1834, Jane 1837 & Lucy 1838, had as head of household Francis b 1771, a carpenter.

In 1851 Felmersham, James 1809 Radwell & Martha 1811 b Milton Ernest with Robert 1834, Jane 1836, Lucy 1838. John 1841 and Emily 1849.   

In 1861 Felmersham, James 1808 Radwell, a carpenter & Martha 1811 Milton Ernest, & Frederick 1844, Emily 1847, Millicent 1854 &  Elizabeth (daughter in Law) 1856 

Now are these James & Martha (ne Long) or Martha (ne Ashpole)
I'd suggest that the 1841 & 1851 families are the same & then James is son of Francis (& Elizabeth baptised 15/2/1801 Pavenham ?)

But is the 1861 family the same ? is Emily the same daughter? where's Frederick b1844 in 1851 census?

cheers John

[bedfordshire boy]

I don't think there's a doubt that 1841-61 are the same family, the birthplaces are consistent (and inconsistent with the Pavenham family). The only problem is Frederick aged 17 in 1861.

This family is Martha née Long who married in Felmersham and who was baptised in Milton Ernest on 16 Dec 1810

Francis who I think is probably the father of James, married Sarah Neal at Felmersham on 25 Nov 1788. I think the other Francis, who married Elizabeth Knight on 2 Feb 1763, is too old to have been the Felmersham Francis. There were three other Francis' in Felmersham, one baptised in 1801, and two more who appear in 1851 both unmarried aged 30 and 25. And there are two marriages in 1820 and 1821. Somewhat confusingly one was to another Elizabeth Knight who I think married the one baptised in 1801 **(and baptised another Francis in 1825, presumably the 25 year old Francis in 1851 in Rickmansworth) and the other was a second marriage for old Francis whose first wife died in 1819 - this I think was Sarah (Neal)* mother of the children, and it must have the second Sarah who died in 1824.

But it will take the parish register to confirm my speculation. Even then it's not going to confirm that James was the son of Francis and Sarah.

I think Pavenham is a red herring, although I'm sure they're connected.

David

*interesting that in 1851 Francis 30 was a boarder with a Neale family in Felmersham. But I can't find a baptism for this one, nor can I find him in 1841.

I'm beginning to get confused!

** this one was transported for life in 1825 for suspicion of stealing sheep. What would they have done to him had they proved that he actually stole sheep. On the Bedford gaol site as Hewlett. As is James Hewlett aged 29 of Felmersham also transported in 1825

[johnP-bedford]

Francis and Sarah Hulet baptised James in Felmersham on 24 Nov 1797. There's also a burial of James in Felmersham on 27 Nov 1797

That burial from the Felmersham PR states James, son of Francis & Sarah Hulett

[bedfordshire boy]

1803 Muster list for Radwell shows Frances Hulet 38 carpenter class 4 ie married men over 30.

Which should knock on the head all the online trees which show Francis as born 1743. They've all skipped a generation.