John Hansen Howarth Manchester to Vic Australia

[vickiegaus]

John Hansen Howarth was christened in Manchester 1815..he was the son of John & Maria. (from FamilySearch site)

I have not been able to find him on any passenger lists to Australai or of the UK censuses.....he married here in 1853.

Any info would be welcome.

Regards
Vickie

[liverpool annie]

Hi Vickie

do you mean he married in Australia in 1853 ?and how do you know that ? is that family knowlege or did you find that somewhere?
and have you thought maybe the name Hansen -  could be the mothers maiden name ??and how do you know the family is from Manchester ?

Annie

[vickiegaus]

Hi Annie

Yes he was married in Australia..all the information I have comes from his marriage and death certificates and his daughters marriage certificate. He is known as Hansen on some of his childrens birth certificates and John on others. Mother m/n unknown on thme.

Regards
Vickie

[trish251]

Yes he was married in Australia..all the information I have comes from his marriage and death certificates and his daughters marriage certificate. He is known as Hansen on some of his childrens birth certificates and John on others. Mother m/n unknown on thme.

Hi Vicki

In what state was he married
Were his children born in the same state
Was there NO mothers name on the childrens certificates? Sounds really strange
His death certificate should tell you the years spent in Australia - helps to pinpoint the shipping dates.
You could also check where his wife came from. Sometimes immigrants married people they travelled with.
Do you know if he came as a convict or free settler? Given his DOB it could be either.

I seem to be asking many questions, but the answers may help find the shipping records.

Trish

[vickiegaus]

Hi Trish

Sorry I was not clear...His mothers maiden name is not on the IGI. The only Hansen Howarth has parents John & Maria and baptised 20 Aug 1815.

He was married in Vic as Hansen Howarth to Mary Darcy in 1853 and the certificate is very basic. I have his childrens births details, all born in Vic. Maybe I could get theirs but it would prove expensive. Some say Hanson some John.

The birth certificate of my gg grandmother in 1855 says her father was born in Manchester, it says he was married in 1851 but it was 1853, also says he was 34 at the time, which makes him born 1821 not 1815.  Nothing has on it how long he was in the country for.

He didnt seem to give much away. I dont think he was a convict. Did any get sent to Victoria??

Their daughter was born on the Brians Creek goldfields, so I thought maybe he came for the gold. It says on her certificate he was a brickmaker.

His marriage certificate info is very scant, his wife was from Connaught, Ireland...it is like a jigsaw with this man...I have to glean bits and pieces and try to find where and if they fit.

I even checked to see if Maria was a Hanson...no luck there.

I hope I have given enough informatio.

Regards
Vickie

[trish251]

Hi Vickie

No apology needed - Lots of information - I wasn't being at all critical, just thought a little more info may help with the search. I have had no luck with my Irish ancestors - Mary Darcy surely sounds very Irish - seems she came to Oz about the same time as my little Irish lass - I think they were all running from the famine.

I had to go looking for Convicts in Victoria. I know that Collins went with a group in 1803 (or thereabouts) but they decided it was inhospitable and moved on to Tasmania in 1804. There is however information on convicts to Port Phillip on the Vic archives site, so a few ended up there.
 Technically, during the transportation era, no convicts were transported to the Port Phillip District of New South Wales, however convicts did find their way to the District. This generally happened in one of three ways. A convict, say in Sydney, would be assigned to a work gang in Port Phillip. A ticket of leave holder came to Port Phillip from either New South Wales or Tasmania to work and as such they were required to register. Lastly the convict may have been an ‘Exile’ (see below).

I'll get back to you if I can find anything - or others may also have access to some Victorian information

Trish

[trish251]

Hi Again Vicki

I may have just found him in the prov convict list!

Tis listed as Hansen Howarth & ship named John /4/? Arrived in 1837

Go to http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/archivesvictoria/recordimages/00110/00110-P00001-index.html

Click on the 300 images  link and go to page 16. There are instructions that you can browse further - I think p 16 is simply the index so there could be a detail page as well.

Good luck with it

Trish

[liverpool annie]

Oh Vickie
How cool?? now I wish he was one of my Howarth's...!!

Annie

[gennig]

Hi Vicki

From the information you have posted, you don't appear to have found Hansen Howarth's death in Victoria. Do you know when he died?  His death certificate could be helpful.

Two of the children's births are registered in 1853 as well as the marriage registration.
The marriage registration is from the records of St Francis, Melbourne. Do you have the actually certificate, or a transcription?
The birth of Eliza registered 1853 is from the Roman Catholic Mt Alexander, Bendigo church records.  
The birth of John registered 1853 is a civil registration entry.

Checking the actually church records, maybe helpful.  

Cheers
Genni