William berners Lizzi berners (brewer) battersea

[lindac26]

I know they had five children
albert, francis, stuart, ernest and athol.  But where they married and not sure which william berners was the father as there are a few who where in london.
Can anyone help thanks.  Stuart was my great granfather
Lizzi (mary Anne) was born in Mortlake London 1847 died 1891.

[jennifer c]

Athol Gilbert Berners Bapt. 12/6/1881 St Mark Battersea Rise born 9th Feb?
Parents William & Lizzie The Hollies Belleville Road Occ. None

1891 Patient St Georges Hospital Hanover Sq.  aged 12 School boy Mother supported born Battersea

Died Sept qtr 1891 aged 13.

1881 census Bellville Road The Hollies
Lizzie Berners 30 Mortlake
Albert W 14
Francis 12
Stuart 6  all Battersea
Arthur 2
Athol 8 weeks both Wandsworth
Plus 1 serv.

Jennifer

[jennifer c]

Stuart Frederick Berners born 29/3/1876

Arthur Ernest Berners 25/7/1878

Both Bapt. 8/9/1878 St Marks Battersea Rise
Parents William & Lizzie
Fathers occ. Ship Broker
address 20 St Anns Road 8 John Hill

Jennifer

[Mabel Bagshawe]

1891 in Battersea

Francis is head, with Stuart and Lizzie, a widow

Ancestry have as Bertero

[jennifer c]

Francis Louis Berners 25 Traveller 47 Aliwal Road father William Gentleman
Rosina Neale 23 117 Marmion Road father Gregory Wright?Neale Coach builder

witnesses Gregory & Edith Neale T W Cook

1897 Electoral Reg. Francis Louis Berners 121 ramsden Road Clapham.

Jennifer

[lindac26]

Thats interesting that you found Lizzi as a widow.  I know she died in 1891, so did Athol and also albert.  Strange that they all died the same year.  So i will have to have a look and see if i can find a william berners who died before she did.  Also not sure still if they ever married. Thanks for the help

[jennifer c]

On line tree's are giving him as William T Berners who it would seems to have left his family and is living in and around Mayfair as a retired East India Co.Merch. living to an old age and dying in 1930  Hanover Sq aged 93?

Jennifer

[lindac26]

thanks for your reply, its just trying to confirm which william was the father.  Probably need to find a marriage certifcate to finally prove it, or did they never get married.  There are a few other william berners that where married, could it be one of them? Who ever it was Lizzi died with no money. Two of the william berners are cousins, lizzies dad was a brewer and one of the berners had something to do with a berners and kemp brewery i think.  thanks for the help

[Mabel Bagshawe]

I remain to be convinced of the William Thomas Berners connection - he does claim in later years to be a widower, but is not obviously to be found before 1901 census and 1890 electoral registers. his family connections are naval and landed gentry - he also is referred to in the Calcutta Gazette (quoted in the London Gazette)  carrying on a business in 1867. Do wonder if he was overseas and happens to reappear at a similar time