help please - professions identy

[Alexpk]

Hello friendly Roots chatters,
                                              Can any one give me a hand reading these two professsions from an 1891 census.  The top one looks like perhaps Carman? the bottom  perhaps bottling cell?

2nd pic is same chap in 1901 .. bottom line is the one im interested in  (Carman ? ) ... but i just cant read what it says next to it

Any help is appreciated . Thank you

[genjen]

Carman L&N.W.Ry

London and North West Railway.

Jen

[ainslie]

Carman.  I agree.
Bottling.  I think 'cellar..' has been added to clarify the trade classification.

In the second one it looks like LN&WR Rly, or London and Northwestern, as it was until 1923.

[stanmapstone]

A Bottler is a Cellerman. The "Cell" annotation has been added  by the clerk in the census office as "Bottling" is not an occupational catagory.


Stan

[Alexpk]

Thank you very very much !!! I would never have got that
Thank Jen and thanks Ainslie  

[Alexpk]

 And thank you Stan 

The bottler on the census is actually a woman .. i guess a woman couls do that job too? She did marry a barman so it makes perfect sense

Thanks every one, very much indeed

[stanmapstone]

There are 15 categories of Bottler in "A Dictionary of Occupational Terms", so perhaps the census clerk was just assuming she was a "Cellerman"
They are Bottler; aerated or mineral waters, beer, beer etc., blacking, chlorine, cider, disinfectants, distillery, fruit, ink, milk, pickle, scent, sweet, warehouse.             
Stan

[Alexpk]

Thanks for your help Stan
                                        Humm.. 15 categories ?  so do you think I would i expect her to have been filling the bottles in a factory? or because it says 'cell' next to it would i expect her to be working in the bar? or celler?  surely not physically making bottles? sorry if I sound a dope but some of the definitions google are throwing out seems to imply making a leather bottle?!

 

[stanmapstone]

Bottling just means she was putting something into bottles. It's a pity she did not add what she was bottling. 

Stan