HART, R and Young, B - Wangaratta Victoria

[majm]

Well, I too think that Debra is right in the likely arrival for Bridget YOUNG, you see, ummm ....

Also among those passengers on the Thomas Arbuthnot arriving Sydney 3 Feb 1850

Mary HART, aged 16, a Houseservant, of Galway, she was RC and could neither read nor write.
Catherine HART, aged 17, also a Houseservant, also of Galway, also RC and also not yet able to read or write.

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/nrs-lists/nrs-5316

ADDING :  And of course, I would not like the info in this post to distract from anyone trying to sort out WHO WAS MICHAEL DEVANEY, as per Alison's post re Bridget's d.c. registration.

Hello,
Richard HART d 1897 aged 78 Wangaratta- Richard HART  and unknown mother # 3477
Bridget HART d 1898 aged 62 Wangaratta - Michael DEVANEY and unknown mother # 14303

Regards
Alison

Cheers,  JM

[May Hem]

Hi all

I have a copy of Steve Hart's death Certificate
Place of death : 28 June 1880, Glenrowan, Oxley? Shire, County of Delatite
age 21 years
Cause of Death : very detailed -
'Found burned to death in the Hotel of Mrs Jones, Glenrowan,
Duration of Illness not known
Certified by Aleander Tone, Justice of the Peace 141, 29 June 1880
Surname of Father and Mother : Richard Hart, Farmer -
no surname shown for mother "not certified, further particulars not known.
There is a strange annotation in the next column "the words certified should not appear in the 5th column, and the word not certified should not appear in the 3rd and 5th columns , E."
Informant is shown as Thomas LLoyd, Naher, Greta
Deputy Registrar is Samuel Ellis, 30th June , Greta
Buried 30th June, Greta Cemetery, the undertaker was Thomas Lloyd
Minister was Daniel O'Keeffe
Witness was Richard Hart  (father or brother?)
b. Wangaratta Victoria
21 years in Victoria
Not married.

"Here's to a sweet life and a merry one........"
MayHem

[May Hem]

Hi Jamison

The gt gt grandson of Richard Hart and Bridget Young of Wangaratta tells me that despite years of searching his past remains a mystery - 'rubbery' was the word.
They strongly suspect he may have changed his name to Hart,from Harding maybe, he spent some time in the southern highlands of NSW with Hamilton Hume the explorer, and worked on his property at Yass.

kind regards
May Hem

[Dundee]

I was also looking at Richard HARDING alias HART (or vice versa!)  He was about the right age if the earlier birth date is correct, he had a brother Nicholas and they were from Dublin.  I only mention this because your Richard HART had a son named Nicholas.

Nicholas and family seem to have stayed in Sydney though some descendants ended up in Queensland. 

Perhaps some delving in the Colonial Secretary's Papers post 1830 might turn something up if not already done.

Some info here regarding published indexes (scroll right down to the bottom of the page)  The fiche are available at a lot of libraries and family history societies.
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/archives-in-brief/archives-in-brief-65

Debra 

[May Hem]

Hi Debra

I should have said southern tablelands, not highlands.

Anne W, Rootschat 16 November 11, is also a descendant and, like my source, has documentation, but not absolute..
My source sticks with the word 'rubbery' regarding certainty of name.There were many secrets and aliases in those times.
Three of Richard's children were directly involved with the Kelly gang, and fourth one was married to a Lloyd.

You are quite a sleuth!

Mayhem

[majm]

Here's the link that May Hem is referring to.

Cheers,  JM

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,566666.0.html

Anne W, Rootschat 16 November 11, is also a descendant and, like my source, has documentation, but not absolute..

[Dundee]

Thanks for that JM - I do now remember that post, and I wish I could remember to Google every now then!!  It would probably save me hours of searching   

Debra 

[jamison]

Hi to you all

Thanks for taking the time to find/dig up info. on the family posted.

But, now, l think that time is needed to go through all the info. posted and sort out some problems arising from what has been supplied.

Then post a summary of what we have for further additions.

Regards

Jamison

 

[May Hem]

Hi Chatters and Jamison

I am breaking the silence to advise that this family is not central to my research or yours, Jamison.
MAH and Ellen Mary Hart's family had a longlasting friendship, not blood,  connection through Richard and Bridget Hart's daughter, Rachel who married Tom Lloyd.
Patrick Hart may have been a cousin of Richard Hart but no evidence has been found so far by the Richard Hart researchers.
 
All the descendants of the branches of this Richard Hart family have well documented proof and full trees and are collaborating with Anne Hart mentioned in JMs post
The only mystery remaining for that group of families is whether Richard, Nicholas and Ann were blood relatives.
Maybe there is some interesting research to be done there by super sleuth!.

Regards
MayHem