John Jones (gardner) - Henllan Denbighshire

[casolt]

Hello to all my (hopefully) new genealogy friends/family.

I am attempting to research probably one of the hardest names to research- John Jones in Wales!  Here is what I do know:

1871 Census (Denbighshire)
John Jones  - age 32  gardner   b. Henllan Denbighshire
Sarah (wife)- age 31                  b. Eltham England
Elizabeth   age 4
Edward/win  age 2


1881 Census (Denbighshire)
John Jones   age 42 
Mary (wife)          35                    b. Ysceifiog
Elizabeth             14
Edward H.           12
John Thomas                                b. Llanrhaiadr

*Wife Sarah must have died between census years, and John took a 2nd wife to be mother to his children.
*Wife Mary must have died between 1885-1891 because she is not listed on the 1891 census, and by 1911 John has a 3rd wife, Catherine.


John Thomas is my husband's direct lineage, and we are attempting to find the father of John JONES b. 1838 in Henllan.  I attempted to go back to the 1861 and prior census - but having very little experience in researching outside the USA, I'm hesitant to determine his parentage.  I am hoping that someone on this site can give some guidance and aid to a newbie to Welsh research. 

Cheryl

[wrjones]

Just a word about the 1861 Census,Henllan is very near to Denbigh which is largely missing from the 1861 Census.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[wrjones]

In the 1851 Census there are no less than seven John Jones' who are given as born in Henllan in c 1839.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[wrjones]

Sorry Cheryl,I forgot to wish you a very warm welcome to Rootschat.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[gortonboy]

hi,,there are a about 5 baptisms for a John Jones in Henllan parish between the years 1836 - 1840,,,but only one for 1839

Parish of Henllan   30th March 1839

 John Jones      father John Jones     a wheelwright
                        mother  Margaret

abode   -   Bryncoch.

[gortonboy]

a useful site to learn about parishes in the UK is GENUKI.

genuki.org.uk

[gortonboy]

that family are in the 1841 census

bryn coch   Henllan

john jones b 1798   wheelwright
margaret b 1802
david b 1828
mary b 1830
jane b 1833
john b 1839
william williams b 1834
joseph evans b 1818

[casolt]

Just a word about the 1861 Census,Henllan is very near to Denbigh which is largely missing from the 1861 Census.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

William,

Thanks for the heads up.  What I am really trying desperately to locate is information on second wife, Mary (her maiden name and parents) and John's parentage right now. 

I know Mary died sometime between the time Owen was born in 1885 and the 1891 census, but where is unknown - however it has to be around the Denbighshire area because in 1891 the family is still there.   The first child to this marriage (J.Thomas Jones) is Feb. 1880 in Llanrhaeadr (according to the 1881 census) - so the marriage is (I would hope) at least 1 year previous or earlier.

Cheryl

[gortonboy]

hi,,can you tell me where John and Catherine are living in the 1911 census,,if the parish record of that marriage can be found,it may give his fathers name?