looking for proof!

[*Sandra*]

Chapter 8 - Loosemore of Creacombe and Rose Ash

Under Family of George 1814
 
Ellen, a younger sister of George 1860, born in Atherington on 30 Jul 1871 (Ellen 1871) became engaged to a local boy Edmund Ley Down, born in Atherington on 21 April 1870 who then emigrated to USA in 1888.  She followed him four years later and they were married on 6 September 1893 in Newark, New Jersey.  Their descendants still live in N.Y. state.

http://www.loosemore.co.uk/Chapter8/CHAPTER8text.htm

Marriage - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FZG5-J8S

Pedigree Resource File -  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/M196-HD7

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

Another small snippet - posted a few years ago but maybe you can contact the poster. Sounds as though they may know where the "family plot" is in Newark. New Jersey.

http://genforum.genealogy.com/handford/messages/91.html

Sandra

[Trees]

good work everyone I was away a couple of hours and look what you have all achieved bravo plenty here to keep me going for a while
Will digest alll the titbits and return Many thanks

[Trees]

Sandra Reply #27  prooves Ellen Loosemore was sister of Emily Loosemore (Mrs Joshaua BEER) so the plot thickens I'll plough on through all your posts but this is shaping up really neatly the links between the Beer,Handford,Judd ,Loosemore and now Down families is taking some unravelling and will keep the old grey cells active many many thanks
Lisa Reply #27  what sort of foreman do you think he was I noticed he was a foreman on the 1900 census but no indication to the industry involved. Strangely I can't find Chas N on the 1900 census can anyone else? The only Charles i have so far on the tree is Charles Frederick can't find one on the UK censuses either

[*Sandra*]

Hi Trees,

The 1900 Census shows Chas Norman listed on the end of the Beer household described as a border born November 1872 New Jersey - Single -  Occupation:- Motorman.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M9J3-FBW

Funnily enough he is also listed as Chas N Beer in the 1902 City Directory, along with Joshua at 9 Mount Pleasant Pl.

Sandra

[Trees]

How  odd I wonder what was going on does Chas Norman turn up on later censuses I wonder? Perhaps one of the Beers filled in the Directory entry and the chap assembling the entry thought the Norman was part of the Christian name I can see it happening after all we don't usually write our surnames in capitals to distinguish them from given names may be we should so many surnames are also used as given names aren't they my own father had the name Marshall his mother's maiden surname My husband has Lewis as a name the surname of one of his grandmother It is a common praactice here in Wales I know several William Williams (one we call Bill double check but thats another story) , James JAMES  David DAVID,and John JOHNs 
I have followed Edmund Ley back a couple of generations so although he joins the tree on marriage he doesn't link up with William Henry

[*Sandra*]

Apart from a discrepancy in the birth place, now born England 1871 (immigrated 1890 NA)    Could this be Chas Norman married in 1910 to Cynthia. 

1910 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MKTL-N8F

1920 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M451-XTS
1930 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X4DZ-X7J
Sandra

[Trees]

yes I think that looks good so he is a bit of a red herring I think the directory entry was a mistake somewhere along the line. I've been chasing through the uk censuses for the rest of the family it realy is an interwoven mix of about four families I think everyone in North Devon relates somehow to me and boy is the tree bushy I think I will need to do some drastic pruning  soon but it is fascinating and they have some interesting occupations too the eariest Beers were thatchers that is prooving and interesting look
must go hang the washing or I'll miss this lovely drying weather back later
trees

[*Sandra*]

Lisa Reply #27  what sort of foreman do you think he was I noticed he was a foreman on the 1900 census but no indication to the industry involved.

Hi Trees,

The 1910 Census says Joshua was a Foreman - Stable. 

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MKT2-TZB

The son Samuel was a cigar - salesman in 1910 and William was a driver - wholesale cigars.

Son John E Beer was Editor of a paper in 1920 and City Editor Sunday Call/Cell in 1930.

The 1920 shows a Veronica Beer and Ruth Beer - think Veronica was the wife of William (and Ruth a daughter)   On the 1930 Census William is widowed and unemployed and no sign of Veronica but he has 3 children, daughter Ruth born 1920 and 2 sons. (better not name incase still living)

Sandra