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Opinions sought - Signature comparison
« on: Monday 09 April 12 14:10 BST (UK) »
I really hope this works.

I hope I have added two images of two signatures to this post.

I would be grateful for opinions about whether or not they are by the same hand. I can see that there are some obvious differences, but wonder if anyone can see any similarities?

Thank you.


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Re: Opinions sought - Signature comparison
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 April 12 14:11 BST (UK) »
Oh goody!!! I DID it! How exciting!!!  ;D

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« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 April 12 14:20 BST (UK) »
Well done!

I would say they are not the same person.  No specific reason, just different!
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« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 April 12 14:23 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your thoughts lizdb.  :)


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Re: Opinions sought - Signature comparison
« Reply #4 on: Monday 09 April 12 14:52 BST (UK) »
The H of Hester is formed quite differently each time - the stroke for the upper curl of the H in the first one is coming from the opposite direction to the upper H curl in the lower one, I don't think it's the same hand (not sure if I've explained it very clearly, sorry!)

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Re: Opinions sought - Signature comparison
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 April 12 15:38 BST (UK) »
Don't think it is the same person. Ifyou look from the level, one lot slopes up and the other down. Generally looks like a different hand.

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« Reply #6 on: Monday 09 April 12 18:33 BST (UK) »
I'm not so sure. Is the lower one later? Because it looks like it could be the same hand, just more confident. My writing looks nothing like it did 10 years ago, but the 'small' letters are the same, and here the way she goes into the s from the e and again from the s to the t is exactly the same... Hmmm!
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Re: Opinions sought - Signature comparison
« Reply #7 on: Monday 09 April 12 23:58 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for your thoughts. You're right, fenifur - the top one is 1795. The other is 1806.

The 1806 signature of Hester Stroud is from her marriage entry. I thought it relatively uncommon for a woman living in the east end of London to sign her name. (Her husband made his mark.) And it was probably even less common in 1795?  :-\

Like you fenifur, my handwriting has changed over the years. In fact I often write in several different styles - sloping, straight up and down etc, and even form various letters differently. When rushing or not taking care, I can even stumble over some letters which makes them look different again.

With these signatures, the most obvious differences are the capital H and the s. I also think the small r's might differ. However looking closer, I can see some similarities.

The first instant I saw them together, I thought they were from the same hand. It was only when I looked closer that I had doubts. The H is formed in the same way minus the big loop at the start of the letter. The small o in both surnames look the same. The t's in Hester are both crossed similarly - with the same kind of curve/curl to the stroke (not straight). Both t's in Hester go straight down to the line and are not rounded at the bottom to go up to form the e. The way the es is formed looks the same in both signatures (slope is the same) but then the second s is rounder than the first.  :-\

How much of this comes down to the 'rules' for writing at the time, and the person's own style, I don't know.

I would be grateful for input from other rootschatters.  :)


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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 10 April 12 00:29 BST (UK) »
I think there is a very good chance they are the same person. People are were not typewriters and a little variation over 11 years is to be expected.

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