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Re: gypsy name
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 14 April 12 14:29 BST (UK) »
Another question.....would a gypsy take the name of a place for their surname?

Been surfing the net and found Elkesley in Nottinghamshire......wondering if maybe Joseph got the Elks name from that?
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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 14 April 12 14:30 BST (UK) »
You mention the name Goddard....so, is that a gypsy name?

 Goddard, as listed above, was a name used by Gypsys in Hampshire and Kent, during 1881.

Fair guess then to say that Bob found them on the 1881 census. Curious how they never reappeared ..... Now; Could this be a neat illustration of exactly what I just said above? " Gypsys were quite happy to change their names like socks. "?

Perhaps these people were, eg. Penfold's and yet, when the enumerator came trudging up, they simply decided to give the first name that came into their heads? Why else should they crop up ~ presumably living in a tent or wagon ~ for one solitary year? One has to ask this.

 My own people were absolute murder! Hammering up and down the south coast road, year in, year out. Spawning a small army of offspring. Yet absolutely without fail it was the old man who went and recorded the births.

And he was as cagey as all sin about what he revealed as an " Address ". Never once admitted the piebald cob and wagon were his. Most memorable was when he simply stated " High Street ". I can imagine him, eye ****ing the registrar and silently defying him to ask, " And where on the High Street, sir? That bloody wagon down the west end? "  ;D


 
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Re: gypsy name
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 14 April 12 14:44 BST (UK) »
Another question.....would a gypsy take the name of a place for their surname?

That's a fascinating idea. Dunno. Anecdotally, I have a deep suspicion that some folks by the name of " Brighton " got it from their association with that place.

 Trouble is, see; Where do we draw the line? " Brazil " is a famous name. But, what would they have had to do with a place people likely hadn't even heard of, back when Gypsys were wearing that name?

" Burton " ....? Pickering? Mansfield? Leatherhead? You tell me .....  :-\

I know one thing though; I've always smiled at the picture of some chap rolling down the road, up on his wagon, when an authority figure steps out and demands his name.  Staring straight ahead, royally peed off with this sort of thing, he's looked over his horses bum to the back of her head and muttered; 'Grai.' "

 " So, Mr Gray, is it ....? Where are you heading? "  Boosh! A name is born!  ;D Purely conjecture, of course. But .....

Funny thing is; I don't think I've ever heard the surname " Elk " in my entire life. Not in any context. Right up in the air, isn't it?
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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 14 April 12 14:45 BST (UK) »
Thank you.
I'm finding this all very interesting. ;D

Goddard has given me another connection to Gypsies
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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 14 April 12 14:47 BST (UK) »
I love your humour ;D
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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 14 April 12 14:51 BST (UK) »
I've been looking and I think there was gypsies in Elkesley
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« Reply #15 on: Saturday 14 April 12 15:03 BST (UK) »
With your great knowledge, you wouldn't know if the names...

Daniells and Haysom were gypsy names....would you? ;D
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« Reply #16 on: Saturday 14 April 12 15:44 BST (UK) »
Sorry; I was outside, entertaining the Dogs with my stand up routine .....

Great knowledge? Me? Hell, no! I just have an incredibly well researched book to hand  ;)

Daniells and Haysom don't appear in that book though.  Nothing even particularly like them. Nor do they ring any bells with me.

Could be a false trail. Ye have to be careful now, not to be seeing Gypsys under ye bed. I mean, if ye did? How embarrassing would that be?   :o " Excuse me! Would ye mind coming out from there?! " Have some explaining to do, wouldn't they?

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« Reply #17 on: Saturday 14 April 12 15:50 BST (UK) »
Hahahahahaha!!!

Think my mind is wondering all over the place.

Have the name Haysom ...john Haysom married a daughter of Joseph Elks and Sarah Plumb

wondered if that was connected to gypsies....then I got on a page about Nottingham and found Hyson Green and my mind wondered to Hyson sounding very much like Haysom....LOL

Think I need a cuppa and clear my mind and then start again..lol
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