Surname Pirtle

[heywood]

Hi again,

just reread my info - witnesses at the wedding of  William and Margaret were in 1881:
George Stirling and Mary McCardle. 

heywood

[heywood]

One interesting thing is that in 1901, Margaret has a visitor:

Mary Cameron widow 30 yrs born Middlesborough.
I tried to match them up as sisters and found a possible marriage to Roderick Cameron (1889) and a death for a Rod. C (1899).

In the Murphy family, there is a younger Mary but the age and of course the birthplaces are not the same.

[stockton]

  What a pair of Diamonds you two are i'm now light years behind the pair of you in understanding
most of this Pirtle family history but please please please keep going when doing my Casey family history every thing seemed to fall into place and i understood who was who, Margaret & William McIntosh, and the parents of Maragret Murphy just seemed to be a long dark tunnel, thanks to you both a bit of light now at the end, MargP Heywood will tell you it realy does take a very long time for the
"Penny to Drop " with me in understanding the Murhy McIntosh history & Pirtle 
Big thanks to both, all the best Derek

[MargP]

Hi Heywood

Have you got Jane Murphy on the 1901 census.

Derek, I hope you don't mind that I am conversing with Heywood on this, I think between us we may solve this for you, fingers crossed

Marg

[stockton]

  MargP, yes you and Heywood have full control, please dont mind me, i'm light years behind you both
perhaps you can both tell me in the end how to write it all out think my late mother would be over the moon on this search for her beloved granny McIntosh and her parents, thanks again, both a pair of bright Diamonds
Derek

[stockton]

  Hi MargP & Heywood, we dont know Michael Murphy's occupation do we, make a bet its iron worker, my g g grandad James Casey a Pudler of Iron worked in Spennymoor {amongst other places } and iv'e learned the Irish families usualy congregated together, mine always seemed to be with relatives from g g g g grandmother Bridget Comaskey Casey, Comaskey and Casey's seemed very close right up to 1900
Murphy's could have done the same, my g g grandad James was in the Spennymoor around same time as Michael Murphy i'm sure
Thanks again, all the best Derek

[heywood]

Hi Heywood

Have you got Jane Murphy on the 1901 census.

Marg

Not as yet  There are so many Murphys. 1891 she is in Easington reg district.
There is a marriage for Jane Ann Murphy to Donald Cameron in 1894 but I can't see them in 1901 to check if it is the right family.
Oh dear- a death for Jane Ann Cameron in 1900 aged 30 yrs
There is a possible death for Michael in 1900 - 61 yrs so age not quite right.

Derek - this Michael is a coal miner.

[stockton]

  Of course Durham coal fields, lots of iron work to though
Derek

[heywood]

Still not entirely sure about this family and connections but...

I noticed a published tree. Not much info except for Mary - Roderick Cameron.
1891 RG12/ 4065/ 83/ 8
has Mary b Leasingthorne and Roderick as Cammron with a baby Roderick.

All things

So the scenario is that Roderick snr dies 1899 - baby son Roderick marries in Hartlepool 1909 but he is not with mother Mary in 1901. She is with Margaret McIntosh as a visitor.

1901 has a Margaret Cameron (mother to Roderick and Donald)  with her son Donald and a child Roderick aged 1yr (this is after the death of Jane Ann Murphy Cameron) but  I can't see a birth for a 1900 Roderick. and he can't be the one who is registered in 1890.

In one sense we can ignore these but it is a puzzle and 1901 could answer questions if we found Jane Murphy and the youngest Roderick Cameron.

I think this is right. It is a bit complicated.