Henry Warren SHORT

[JacknSof]

Henry died 11/11/1874  aged 39 at Tam O'Shanta Belt, an old district in the Port Adelaide area. Father recorded as Henry.
He married Mary Gill on 14/1/1861.  They had 7 children for which I have the details of.
Mary was previously married to Thomas Hocking and they had one child ( John Henry Hocking ).
I am seeking assistance for the following:
Where was Henry W Short buried.
When and where he arrived in Australia.
Date of death of Thomas Hocking.

Jack

[Essie]

Hi Jack

A marriage for Mary GILL to Thomas HOCKING is dubious. Mary had one child with him (residence recorded as Alberton) and there was a cross reference on that birth record which usually indicates an illegitimate child because of the  ambiguity of the surname.

There does not appear to be a death record for Thomas prior to Mary's marriage to Henry SHORT.

A Thomas HOCKING lived at Bowden (nearer Adelaide) and had a wife named Jane RICHARDS and children in the 1850s.

Essie

[cando]

Have you browsed the Shipping and SA Cemeteries online on the Resources and Offers board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,280572.0.html

I can't see a death of a Thomas HOCKING pre 1861 in the SA deaths.

Cando

[JacknSof]

Thank you Cando and Essie for your replies.
The marriage of Thomas and May is on the SAGHS index ( but not the on line one ) but the birth of  John Henry Hocking is.
I have searched the on line SA cemeteries and shipping list to no avail.
The closest match I could find is a Henry Short aged 18 arriving Melbourne 1856 on the " White Star" . Does not state if a Crew member or Passenger nor can the record be viewed on line. ( Vic  StateRecords Dept. Ref Part 'B' Folio 115 Page 007. )

Thanks once again for your interest.

Jack

[cando]

Jack the indexes at PROV do not include crew.

Unnassisted Immigrants Indexes.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=23

Henry SHORT is listed on the Unassisted Immigrants index so there will be scant information on the record.  Port of departure, his nationality and occasionally an occupation.

The marriage of Thomas and May is on the SAGHS index ( but not the on line one ) but the birth of  John Henry Hocking is.

I don't use the online BDM indexes but I cannot see a marriage for Thomas HOCKING to a May/Mary on my resource.
 
When and where were they married?  Do you have the reference number please?

Mary surely would have married with the surname HOCKING when she married Henry SHORT if she had been married previously.

Marriage
SHORT Henry  Full age Status not recorded  Father Henry SHORT
GILL Mary  25 years  Status not recorded  Father William GILL
14 Jan 1861
At the residence of Christopher Gill,  Yatala   Ade 45/384

I agree with Essie

A marriage for Mary GILL to Thomas HOCKING is dubious. Mary had one child with him (residence recorded as Alberton) and there was a cross reference on that birth record which usually indicates an illegitimate child because of the  ambiguity of the surname.

Birth
HOCKING John Henry
7 Aug 1857
Father Thomas HOCKING  Mother Mary GILL
At Alberton  Ade Symbol X 11/131
Cross Reference See also GILL John Henry

X. Cross referenced Registration. Major Spelling Variation between Registar and Informant. Confusion between given and surnames and ambiguity of which parents surname is to be used for the child.

I also had a search of the available cemetery records...nothing.  Do you know where his wife is buried?

Cheers 
Cando

[JacknSof]

Hi Cando,
Thank you for the passenger information.
Re Marriage, I did  a typo and it should have read Mary.
I have found this link that states Mary married again 3 years after Henry died to a Charles (George) Allington.
http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.short/1328.1.1.1/mb.ashx
Mary's date of death was 9/07/1887. Had a quick look but can not find where she is buried.
I will definitely have to take a trip to SAGHS to clarify all this and make sure I record all the reference numbers.

Kind Regards

Jack

[cando]

Jack there is no mention of a first marriage for Mary....no mention of the name HOCKING either. 

Although I don't have any details on Henry's arrival in Australia his wife Mary arrived in Adelaide on the "Cressy" in 1847. She immigrated with her parents & siblings from Iddesleigh, Devon and was the 6th of 10 children and a sister of my GG Grandmother, Eliza Jane Gill. When Henry and Mary married, Mary already had a four year old son named John Henry Gill.  .....................

Henry died in November 1874 at Tam o'Shanter Belt when he was only 39. Mary was widowed with 6 children .............she eventually remarried 3 years after Henry's death. Her second husband was a Charles or George Allington. George was a bachelor and 38 years old when they married in Port Adelaide. Although her second marriage lasted about 10 years she doesn't appaar to have had any further children. Mary died in July 1887 at Port Adelaide.


If Mary had married Thomas HOCKING she would have been known as Mary HOCKING when she married Henry SHORT.  Why was the birth reg of John Henry cross referenced....usual with illegitimate births.

The marriage of Thomas and May is on the SAGHS index

I have the resources you mention and cannot find a marriage for Mary GILL to Thomas HOCKING.

Mary's re-marriage

ALLINGTON  Charles  38 years  Status Single  Father William ALLINGTON
SHORT Mary Ann  38 years  Status Widow  Father William GILL
11 Dec 1877
At the Manse, Port Adelaide  PtA 113/874

Mary appears to have lowered her age when marrying Mr ALLINGTON

Death
ALLINGTON Mary
9 Jul  1887  53 years  Status Married  Relative George ALLINGTON [Husband]
Residence Port Adelaide  Death Place Port Adelaide   PtA 164/409

Death notice
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0m94/

Only ALLINGTON death in the same area. 

ALLINGTON Charles
13 May 1889  53 years  Status not recorded Relative not recorded
Residence Birkenhead  Death Place Birkenhead  PtA 178/439

Charles is buried at Hindmarsh Cemetery.

There is no headstone.

When you visit SAGHS you could have a look at this resource - Book and fiche - perhaps Henry is also buried at Hindmarsh.
http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2176910

Cheers 
Cando

[cando]

Sorry Jack omitted Charles' funeral notice.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0m96/

Cheers 
Cando

[JacknSof]

Hi Cando,
You are correct, Mary did not marry Thomas Hocking. I have sighted the birth certificate which is in the name of John Henry Gill. Mary signed her name "Mary Gill". Father Thomas Hocking, Publican , Alberton.
Your hunch was right, Henry Warren Short  is buried at Hindmarsh Cemetery (12/11/1874). Grave no. B64.
Mary Allington/Short nee Gill is also buried there (12/07/1887 ) also Grave no. B64.
Also as you mentioned Charles George Allington buried 14/03/1889. Grave no. B63.
All that is needed now is to find when Henry W arrived in Australia.
SAGHS have the PROV fiche for the White Star arriving Melbourne Nov 1856. The unassisted passenger list
shows there is a Henry Short 18, Laborour, Irish. Age is a bit out so a bit unsure if this is him.
Thanks  for your time and interest once again.

Kind Regards