1831 and 1861 CENSUS LOOK UP PLEASE

[shilo]

Your welcome Jillianstella

You will have to let us know how it all turns out

take care and keep warm
dam freezing down there 
Jackie 

[bedfordshire boy]

John and Elizabeth née Cherry Axton had a son Luke

John and Ann née Cherry Axton had a son Jesse

In St Albans Luke and Ann Cherry baptised various children including a son Jesse, a daughter Ann, and a daughter Elizabeth.

Luke Cherry married Ann Taylor of St Albans Abbey at St Albans St Michael on 30 Oct 1798.

I think I was wrong when I said that John and Ann married in St Albans where they weren't known. I think they married there because that's where Ann was from.

BUT

Living in St Albans in 1851 were
Luke Cherry head widower 76 retired tailor b Luton
Ann Cherry Dau unmarr 37 b St Albans

This Ann married Cornelius Tingey in St Albans on 27 May 1851.

Perhaps Elizabeth and Ann weren't sisters after all. There's got to be connection somehow though!

David

[Jillianstella]

Hi David,
The plot thickens - would you have any further info. on Ann and Elizabeth Cherry, don't know why but I thought they were young when they died.
Jillian

[bedfordshire boy]

... don't know why but I thought they were young when they died.
Jillian

I know why! I posted that Elizabeth was 27 on burial in 1831, and Ann was 29 on burial in 1840, so both were young. But other than what I've gleaned from the IGI I don't know anything more about them. Even the IGI baptisms are inconsistent with the burial ages. Was Elizabeth born in 1799, daughter of Luke and Ann, the one who married John Axton in London? Her age is 5 years adrift, but she did name a son Luke. And Ann, despite what I thought originally, wasn't the daughter of Luke and Ann, as she was alive and unmarried in 1851 and she subsequently married.

Unfortunately the witnesses at Elizabeth's wedding add nothing. It might help to view the St Albans marriage entry to see who the witnesses were to that. There are no other baptisms of an Ann Cherry c1811 in Herts on the IGI, but Herts isn't a county with which I'm particularly familiar so I don't know what the coverage is like on the IGI.

Which of John's children do you descend from? Alfred or John, as you say that both died in Australia? How many emigrated?

David

[Jillianstella]

Alfred is my g.g.grandfather, I think you're right that his parents are Ann and John Axton, I have ordered a death cert. for an Ann who is buried at The General Cemetery Rothersay Rd Luton - a emailed a lady at Luton council thinks the Ann in question might be John Axton's first wife, I suspect something may have shown up on the cert. when she looked it up for me (I hope so anyhow) - I have also ordered John and Harriet's death certs. (buried at same cemetery in the same grave), John and Harriet's marriage cert. and John and Ann's marriage cert. from Hertfordshire council - hope at least these certs. shed some light on who they are and how old they are.  Will post the info when I get the certs.
Jillian

[bedfordshire boy]

Be warned that English death certs aren't like Australian ones. You get ages, but there are no parent details and no maiden names in the case of women. Is there any doubt about their ages?

[Jillianstella]

I'm most interested in Ann and John's death certs. - I have purchased all birth and death certs. but one of the Australian lines and have taken photos of their graves, my maternal g.grandfather Thomas Cantwell's birth was never registered in Tasmania so no hope of getting a cert. there, only have the photo of his grave and death cert.  - according to Tasmanian BDM it still happens even today down there. A little disappointed about English certs. not giving much info. but would like to have them just the same.
With regard Ann and Elizabeth's ages - according to the census it appears they were young, Ann's death cert. should show if she is the one I am looking for and hope to get to England one day to take a photo of where she is buried and John's grave as well of course. 
Jillian

[bedfordshire boy]

With regard Ann and Elizabeth's ages - according to the census it appears they were young,

I don't understand. They both died before the 1841 census. The burial entries give their ages. That's all you're going to get.

[Jillianstella]

I realize that but I like to keep a copy of the certs. - Until you told me different I did think English certs. wold give parents names etc., I would like to trace back as far as I can and find where they are all buried but obviously going to be harder than I thought.