John Irwin

[Mo37]

This is a photograph of the portrait of 2nd Lieutenant Fred Irwin which we have.
Mo

[kingskerswell]

Hi,
   The ribbon he is wearing looks like that of the Military Medal.

Regards

[aghadowey]

Yes, he did get Military Medal-
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~econnolly/rohpci/rohlimavady2.html

[Irwin-Ross]

William Irwin who died on 17th April 1931 was aged 80. His son William was present at death.

This must be his marriage. William Irwin of Glen Mills Ballyleighery married Sarah Ross also of Ballyleighery on 29th March 1888. William's father was given as John Irwin, a farmer. I was only able to find one child of this marriage. William Irwin who was born 1st July 1891.

I have more information about your family. If you make one more posting I will be able to send you a P.M.

cyclamen - please see this link.  I am unsure what William and Sarah Ross' relationship to my 3rd great grandfather John Irwin was.  http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Irwin-1401 
But William and Sarah definately took over the house of 3 acres with corn mill, buying the property on mortgage from Henry Lecky ion 1896.  John Irwin was my 3rd great grandfather, who was married to his lessors sister Margaret Lavinia Forsythe (Lessor was Samuel Forsythe Junior) and his son my 2nd great grandfather was also John Irwin, who married Mary Jane Caldwell in Bovevagh in 1871 then in 1887 married Annie Pollock in Scotland.  John Irwin senior died 1872, and his son John junior is on the valuation rolls until 1886.  I have reconstructed both their lives after much research and Ulster Ancestry research reports.  John Senior was not always a corn miller, he was a farmer until 1870, when suddenly his fortunes changed and he was able to upgrade from a small holding of only 1 rood 20 perches to the massive by comparison 3 acre 3 rood farm.  Later the farm was downsized to 1 acre 20 roods and this is what William and Wife bought.  John Junior was a jopiner by trade, and he made a number of trips to Dalziel where there were a number of coal mines.  John could make alot of extra money buiulding support structures for the mines and did so which may have accounted for the change in fortunes.  ANy way, check the site because I have tracked most of Johna and John Juniors kids and siblings.  One branch I know is ion Australia and one is in London. This is a difficult family because they went all over the place, and the destruction of many Irish records has made it hard to track them in Ulster, but not so much in Scotland in the 1880s.  I think William might have been another son of John Senior, but I found no record of his birth.

[Irwin-Ross]

Looking at William and Sarah's marriage, we can see William of Glen Mills was born around 1867, in Londonderry, to a father named John Irwin who was a farmer. 

The only WIlliam born to father John Irwin around 1887 is a William born in Carrick/Boveva to John Irwin and Jane Hutton.

John Irwin (probably born around 1844) and Jane Hutton were married in Dungiven 1864.  Of note John's father was another John Irwin probably born around 1824. 

Witness 2 to this marriage is a Levinia Hutton. Besides my Lavinia, this is the first other Levenia I have come across on a parish record from Ireland

I am not sure how all this fits together.  My John Irwin Senior was born around 1824, but his son John was born 1854 and later married to Mary jane Caldwell in 1871 and he was a bachelor   who had not been married before.  John Senior's wife was Lavinia FORYSTHE, but since I have no marriage record I have no idea, all I have are her kids marriage records that say her last name was Forsythe. 

Certainly Wialliam's father and grandfather knew my family, and were most probably cousins.

[Irwin-Ross]

Other docs discussed.

[Irwin-Ross]

Of course the old family saying "there's a right way, a wrong way, and the Irvine way" would not seem to apply given my spelling.

[Irwin-Ross]

Well here are the Glen Mills Irwins as far as I can put the family togther based on what was discussed on this forum. I spoke to forrestal and got some more stuff, and I also got some documents of roots ie.  Still not sure if and how my Great Great Grandfather John Irwin was related to William Irwin and Sarah Ross, who bought his cornmill and farm in 1898, which is now Glen Mills.

[Irwin-Ross]

My tree for comparison