Birmingham marriage 1848

[MargP]

Hi

There is a Will for Thomas Addison Whittingham 4 Aug 1876

He died on the 7 April 1876 Leamington formerly of Forebidge Stafford he left £3.000
was proven at the Principal Registry  by Mercy Gibbs of Stone Staffordshire Widow of the sister and George Swift of Haunchurch in the County of Stafford Farmer the Executors

Margp

[jim1]

Mercy Gibbs widow the sister.Seems to mean Thomas had a sister Mercy but I can't find one.
Widow in 1871.

jim
Edit:
found her b.1816,sister of Thomas.

[jim1]

Back on topic.
The children after Alice b.1863 have the father as John Craven.Alice seems a bit of a mix up as John Craven may have assumed the role of father but may not have been Alice's.It's possible Thomas Whittingham left the family by this time & eventually returned to England.I don't think either of them married anybody.
What we're short of are marriage certs. & passenger lists to prove it.
Whether Thomas' will mentions any of his children I don't know,you would have to buy a copy.It may be the only document that links the 2 Thomas' together.

jim

[Suemitch]

Back on topic.
The children after Alice b.1863 have the father as John Craven.Alice seems a bit of a mix up as John Craven may have assumed the role of father but may not have been Alice's.It's possible Thomas Whittingham left the family by this time & eventually returned to England.I don't think either of them married anybody.
What we're short of are marriage certs. & passenger lists to prove it.
Whether Thomas' will mentions any of his children I don't know,you would have to buy a copy.It may be the only document that links the 2 Thomas' together.

jim

Hi Jim,
                         John Craven seems to have been a second "husband"/ Partner about 1862 and the later children seem to be his. Somehow the Whittingham name was carried on through. If Thomas went back to England and died there it would explain why I have not been able to find a death for him in Australia. Will look at getting the will to see whether this is the right Thomas Whittingham.

[Suemitch]

Hi sue

ok there is something odd going on here

I think I have this right but I could be wrong  
but it looks like Thomas Whittingham may have changed his name to John Craven
what can you tell me about theses children

it is just to much of a coincidence

birth no 1 ( entered twice )
Alice Sarah Craven
Registered 1863 Darley, Victoria
number 18415r
parents John Craven and Anne Elston


birth no 2 ( entered twice )
Alice Sarah Whittingham
parents Whittingham and Anne Elston
Registered 1863 Darley, Victoria
number 18415r


death
Alice Sarah Craven
died Berwick, Victoria
Age 70 born abt 1865
Parents Jno Craven and Ann Elston Whittingham
Registered 1935 Victoria
Reg no 13877


birth

John Whittingham Craven
Parents Craven and Ann Elston
Birth 1865 Victoria
Reg no 6237r


birth
Martha Craven
parents John Craven and Ann Whittingham Elston
Bacchus Marsh, Victoria
Registered 1866 Victoria
Reg no 12486

death
Martha Whittingham Craven
Age 75 born abt 1874
parents John Craven and Anne Elston
Registerd 1949 Victoria
Reg no 2893



do you know if they lived in Bacchus marsh for a while


Jackie

note modified post to add second birth for Alice Sarah

Yes, they lived in Bacchus Marsh and later children were born there. 

[MargP]

Hi

A Baptist record for

Fanny Elston
Baptised 6 Feb 1848
St John Coventry England
Mother Phoebe

Margp

[jim1]

It looks like Fanny was adopted by the 1851 family where she's a visitor but she appears to have married under the Elston name.

jim

[jim1]

You can get a copy of his will here:
http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills
Schroll down the page & download their PA1S form.A copy costs £6.00.

jim

[jim1]

I think I'll have to take it back about Fanny being adopted.In 1861 she's an inmate at a girl's industrial school.These were for children considered "out of their parents control" or were guilty of minor offences.They were sent there by the Court usually for a period of 5 years.She may have been considered a "waif or stray".

jim