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[tac]

another question re elizabeths mother, i know that she died at elizabeths home@1935-1940,not much to go on i know, but is there any way i can find out who she was from this info?

[osprey]

you could search Freebmd for Priscillas dying at that time in the registration district that covered where Elizabeth Jane was living.

[tac]

hi osprey,yes i have checked free bmd +FindMyPast + ancestry but cant find the death on any of them.

[osprey]

do you have Elizabeth jane's marriage cert to give you her father's details? Can't see a Priscilla in the right sort of area with a daughter.

 

[tac]

i have 2 marriage certs for elizabeth,on the first one(1903) no fathers name given,on the second one(1918) the fathers name is Evan williams,deceased,quarryman

[osprey]

who did she marry and where? Who were the witnesses? What address is given on the 1903 marriage? It may help to trace her, so the more info you give, the more likely we are to be able to trace her.

Where was she living when her mother died?

Given that she was in Henllys in 1901, there's this possible from 1891, Henllys  & Ysgubor y Coed both being in the parish of Llanfihangel Genau'r Glyn

Pentrebach, Ysgubor y Coed, Cards RG12/4586 folio 4 pg 1
Thomas Jones head 53 labourer b. Sguborycoed (deaf & dumb)
Elizabeth wife 63 b. Llanfihangel
Elizabeth J Williams granddau 6 b. Merionethshire, Parish of Dolgelley

I can find Thomas & Elizabeth in 1881
Pentrebach RG11/5477 folio 7 pg 7
Thomas Jones head mar 44 shoemaker deaf & dumb
Elizabeth wife 55
Edwin R son 8
all born Cardiganshire

& Thomas in 1861 is unmarried and living with his mother RG9/4239 folio 5 pg 3, but I haven't found them in 1871 as yet to see if they have other children or if they are married by that stage. It could be that Elizabeth brought a daughter to the marriage who then was the mother of Elizabeth Jane.


 

[tac]

hi,
The first marriage was to John Jenkins in Nov 1903,in the congregational chapel, baker st ,aberystwith,the witness,s were Mary Evans and Ann Williams.at the time of marriage elizabeth was living at Pandy Furnace,Glandovey.no father on cert.

the second marriage was to David Watkin Williams in March 1918 both living at dovey cottage ,Borth.(Elizabeth was a widow and David was a widower) witnesses were, J J Roberts and G.M.Hughes. Fathers name on cert for elizabeth is Evan Williams(deceased)
 Elizabeth was living at Dovey Cottage,Borth and that is where her mother died

 

[osprey]

could she not have found witnesses with more unusual names for her first marriage? They're not a lot of help, are they? 

I've tried without success to find Pandy Furnace, Glandovey on the 1901 census in case a relative is there.

I can't see a death reg of a Priscilla old enough to be Elizabeth Jane's mother between 1935 & 1940.

Have you tried the registrars who now hold the Dolgellau registers ti see if they can trace a birth cert for Elizabeth Jane? You can specify mother's name if you try the local registrar.

http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/gwy_doc.asp?cat=6726&doc=24310&language=1&p=1&c=1

 

[tac]

thank you osprey,i will try them tomorrow,i thought my english ancesters were hard to find ,but blimey the welsh  im just glad my s.i.l. is not banking on me.
thanks for all your help,much appretiated.