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Michael Manning and Mary Barrett
« on: Sunday 22 May 05 05:08 BST (UK) »
My great-grandfather, Michael Manning, was born around 1867 - his naturalization papers that name Galway as his place of birth also state he was born in 1872, but that was likely so he could claim he was a minor at the time of his emigration in 1889 and avoid paying a fee.

Michael was born to Patrick Manning and Mary Harney.  The Manning surname could possibly be listed as Mannion. I have been unable to determine the names of Michael's siblings, if any.  I received information that a Michael Mannion was married to a Mary Harney in Athenry, but I have nothing to confirm this.  Given the relatively unusual name of Harney in that area, it could be a match.

Mary Barrett may have been from Galway, or possibly Roscommon (the Roscommon connection is speculation).  Her parents were Thomas and Bridget Barrett (Bridget's maiden name was not listed on the only document listing her name).  There are almost no records available on Mary - I can not locate even her marriage certificate for her marriage to Michael - this may be because Michael and Mary were married in Ireland before traveling to America.  However, they arrived in Boston around 1891, the census indicates an 1895 marriage, and they had their first child in 1896.

According to oral history, Mary was illiterate and considered beneath Michael's family, but Michael married her against his family's wishes and was disowned.  I assume this took place in Ireland, but I don't know why they would have left for America and waited 4 years to marry.  In any event, this is a compelling story, and I'm frustrated that I have so little information about Mary and Michael.  Thanks for anything you can do to help.

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Re: Michael Manning and Mary Barrett
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 20 August 23 15:24 BST (UK) »
After years of intermittent research, I have some new information:
Michael was born around 1867 in Galway, but I believe his birth was in or around Ballinasloe. Michael's parents, Patrick Mannion and Mary Harney, had at least 6 other children: Celia (or Cecelia, b. around 1867), Anne (b. 1868), Thomas (b. ~1870), Mary (b. ~1870), Katherine (b. 1875) and Elizabeth (b. 1877).

Celia married Laurence Manning (no direct relation - I think) in Boston  and had Mary, Helen, and John. Mary married Patrick Griffin in Waltham, MA and had Mary, Joseph, George, Christina, and Olive. Katherine married Michael Devlin in Brookline, MA and moved to Waltham where they had 9 children, several of whom moved throughout the US (California and Montana). Katherine decided to become a citizen, which is how I concluded that she was my Michael's sister and that the family was from Ballinasloe. I'm sure that these siblings are related to my line as I've had DNA hits with people in Montana.

Michael Manning (born Mannion) left Galway around 1891 and married Mary Barrett in Waltham, MA before moving to Brookline. They had several children and I have multiple DNA matches among their families. Mary Barrett's parents were Thomas Barrett and Bridget Rush and she appears to have been born in Mount Bellew, Galway.

I'd like to track Michael and Mary's parents back another generation, but records are scarce. If any of this rings a bell for anyone, please let me know.

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Re: Michael Manning and Mary Barrett
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 20 August 23 16:48 BST (UK) »
Why has the father’s name changed from Patrick to Michael.
There was a Patrick and Mary in Galway at the correct time but I don’t see a Michael and Mary.

For example Anne Manion 1868 to Patrick and Mary Harney. Number 319
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03436/2261712.pdf

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Re: Michael Manning and Mary Barrett
« Reply #4 on: Monday 21 August 23 13:31 BST (UK) »
Why has the father’s name changed from Patrick to Michael.
There was a Patrick and Mary in Galway at the correct time but I don’t see a Michael and Mary.

For example Anne Manion 1868 to Patrick and Mary Harney. Number 319
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03436/2261712.pdf

Apologies, I mistyped (I corrected the post). Just about everyone in that line is a Michael or Patrick and I mixed them up while posting. My grandfather was Patrick Manning; my great-grandfather was Michael Manning, and my great-great grandfather was Patrick Mannion (Manning). Michael (ggf) was married to Mary Barrett in Massachusetts, and Patrick (2xggf) was married to Mary Harney.

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Re: Michael Manning and Mary Barrett
« Reply #5 on: Monday 21 August 23 13:38 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the links - they confirm my records as noted in my second post of Anne and Thomas being Michael's siblings.

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Re: Michael Manning and Mary Barrett
« Reply #6 on: Monday 21 August 23 16:03 BST (UK) »
So this is the baptism you believe is Michael
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632917#page/46/mode/1up
Right hand page born 1st Nov baptised 16th
I'm not seeing a civil cert for him.

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Re: Michael Manning and Mary Barrett
« Reply #7 on: Monday 21 August 23 19:45 BST (UK) »
So this is the baptism you believe is Michael
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632917#page/46/mode/1up
Right hand page born 1st Nov baptised 16th
I'm not seeing a civil cert for him.

That's the one I found. Other documentation is all over the place: US censuses put his DOB in 1867, 1867, and 1872; marriage in MA puts YOB as 1867, and one census had his DOB in June (the US census was done in June, so they might have mixed it up), but his naturalization doc has Nov. 1, 1872 - while the day and month align, the year doesn't, but if he claimed to be younger when he arrived, he could waive the court fee, so I don't worry about the year as much and he may have claimed 1872 in the census to be consistent after citizenship. I think there's enough with the dates, names and location to conclude that's him.

I found a 1901 census with Patrick Mannion and Mary, with children Anne and Elizabeth. I have documentation that his other three sisters moved to the US, but not those two; however, their ages indicate birth years of 1878 and 1882, so that's off by a bit - but as indicated below, his parents should have been alive in 1901 (the census lists them as 80 and 60).

Michael purchased a life insurance policy in September 1902 that indicated he was 28 on his last birthday (indicating a YOB of 1873 if he was born in November, but again, he may have had an incentive to present himself younger than he was). He claimed both of his parents were still alive (father Patrick Mannion 75, mother Mary Harney, 63 - not far off from the census above). The application indicated that he had two brothers, both of whom died in infancy, and five sisters, all of whom were alive, despite a contradictory notation indicating that two sisters died in 1877 of typhus. I haven't been able to find anything to confirm those deaths.

Michael's wife was Mary Barrett (Mary's parents were Thomas Barrett and Bridget Rush); I found a birth record from Dec. 13, 1866 for Mary Barret born to Thomas Barrett and Bridget Rush in Galway; I also found a birth on Oct 17, 1874 for a possible sister named Catherine in Tuam, Maylough and another birth for a child named Bridget to the same parents. I found a passenger list from 1884 for a ship from Galway to Boston that included a Bridget Barrett, 35, Mary, 16 (indicating a YOB of 1868), Kate, 14 (possibly Catherine, but she should have been 10), as well as another Bridget, 12 and several other children - with no husband/father. This could be my Mary, but there's not much else to go on, other than it suggests that Mary's father Thomas must have died by 1884.

I also found a record for Thomas Barrett, born Nov. 3, 1833 in Rahoon, Galway to Thomas Barrett and Mary Keary, as well as a Bridget Rush, born Dec. 27, 1834, also in Rahoon to Thomas Rush and Mary Flaherty - no way to know if they're connected.


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Re: Michael Manning and Mary Barrett
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 22 August 23 15:45 BST (UK) »
It's better to stick to one family at a time
Trying to make sense of the Manions
We have
1 Michael's baptism Nov 1866 Ballinasloe parish https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632917#page/46/mode/1up

2 Celia nothing so far

3 Anne 1866 Patrick's a farmer can't figure out where the place name is but Loughrea district.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03436/2261712.pdf

4 Thomas 1870 Attimon Patrick a farmer
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03356/2230354.pdf

5 Mary nothing so far

6 Catherine 1872 Patrick a labourer , back to that unknow place name
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03257/2193565.pdf

7 Elizabeth Patrick a labourer unknow place name
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03030/2110597.pdf

I wonder if this could be Anne and Elizabeth in 1911 and Ballynanulty could be the place name on most of the births
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Cloonkeen/Ballynanulty/462846/
Anne's marriage 1903
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10228/5722878.pdf
And Patrick and Mary with the girls in 1901
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Cloonkeen/Ballynanulty/1385818/