Author Topic: HELP! Cannot find the Death Registration anywhere for WW2 Soldier (uncle)  (Read 1934 times)

Offline wardyfam

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Hi there....I hope somebody can help me please.

Myself and my cousin are trying to find the death registration for...

Cyril Walter Mapes of Southend-on-Sea Essex.
He died on the 25th May 1943 - Southend.
He was a DRIVER in the Royal Engineers.
His serial number was: 1927470

His place of rest is in the War Graves section of Sutton Cemetery, Southend, yet we cannot find his death registration anywhere. Not in the Military or National Registries.

We are hitting our heads against brick walls, so in desperation I am turning to you the experts, in hope that you can help us. We would like to send off for his Death Certificate if at all possible.

This is his Army Roll of Honour...
Name:   Cyril Mapes
Given Initials:   C W
Rank:   Driver
Death Date:   25 May 1943
Number:   1927470
Birth Place:   Southend-on-Sea
Residence:   Essex
Regiment at Enlistment:   Royal Engineers
Branch at Enlistment:   Other Corps
Theatre of War:   United Kingdom
Regiment at Death:   Royal Engineers
Branch at Death:   Other Corps

It's the only thing we've found about him anywhere....please can somebody help us find him? It would be much appreciated. :)
Thank you in advance.

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Re: HELP! Cannot find the Death Registration anywhere for WW2 Soldier (uncle)
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 14 June 12 00:03 BST (UK) »
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Re: HELP! Cannot find the Death Registration anywhere for WW2 Soldier (uncle)
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 14 June 12 00:07 BST (UK) »
Theres a Charles Mapes on free BMDs died 1943 same age in Northants?

Mistranscription?? possible same age

Maybe a clerical error putting fathers name instead of son??

Ady :)
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Re: HELP! Cannot find the Death Registration anywhere for WW2 Soldier (uncle)
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 14 June 12 00:16 BST (UK) »
Thank you mmm45...that's much appreciated. We managed to find the one on CWGC, but cannot for the life of us find any death registration for him anywhere. It's all very frustrating and very odd. There must be one around somewhere surely!?

I don't think the Charles Mapes in Northants can be the right one...his fathers name was Arthur. Thanks for trying though. :)


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Re: HELP! Cannot find the Death Registration anywhere for WW2 Soldier (uncle)
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 14 June 12 00:19 BST (UK) »
CWGC has different Next of Kin listed? Dad as Charles?

Looking at the evidence Right age,Rare surname UK death maybe worth following just to rule out?

Have looked under Barker too and cant find anything strange?

Depends what you are after but you could apply to MOD for his record...costs £30 and a few months wait though.


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Re: HELP! Cannot find the Death Registration anywhere for WW2 Soldier (uncle)
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 14 June 12 01:10 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much for helping Ady.
Charles Mapes was his stepfather...his mother remarried after his dad died and Cyril took on his name. His birth name was Barker, but he also used the name Mapes when he married.
We've had and are still having just as much of a problem with Cyril's brother Charles...he also started to use the name Mapes, so it's a devil trying to track them both.

Thanks for the tip about the MOD...I'll have a chat with my cousin about it. :)


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Re: HELP! Cannot find the Death Registration anywhere for WW2 Soldier (uncle)
« Reply #6 on: Friday 29 January 21 14:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I'm doing my wife's family tree.  Her grandmother was Grace Punt who married Cyril Walter Mapes in 1932 in Prittlewell.  Through yourself, I'm now aware that Cyril started out as Cyril Barker and that his parents were Charles and Rebecca Barker.  I was hoping that you could point me in the right direction to trace back further in time.  Thanks, Wayne  PS His daughter Anne was cremated at the same place where he is buried.