Help with family bible

[osprey]

ok, think this is Thomas & his family

1871 Clase, Llangyfelach RG10/5448 folio 4 pg 3
Thomas Rees head mar farmer 54
Ann wife 55 b. Pillstone
John son 20
Hannah dau 19
Thomas Williams grandson 5
all born Llangyfelach except Ann 

1861 Cwmrhydyceirw, Llangyfelach RG9/4099 folio 24 pg 8
Thomas Rees head mar 43 quarryman
Ann S(?) wife 44 b. Ilston
John son 10
Catherine dau 16
Hannah dau 6
all born Llangyfelach except Ann

1851 Cwmrhydycwrw, Llangyfelach HO107/2468 folio 410 pg 45
Thomas Rees head mar 33 labourer b. Llangyfelach
Ann wife 34 b. Ilston
Cathrine dau 6 b. Llangyfelach
John son 10 months b. Llangyfelach
Lucy Jenkins mother-in-law widow 57 pauper b. St Mary Swansea
Elenor Bottin 12 house servant b. Nicholaston Gower
William Rees lodger 48 labourer b. Llangyfelach

I've not had much luck so far finding the family in the parish records on FamilySearch. Were they non-conformist? At least they have mother-in-laws living with them to help going backwards.

 

[osprey]

Ann's baptism - found by the old way by searching batches....

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FMML-4M9

[osprey]

bit more on the Howells family

1861 Pentrewyth, Llansamlet RG9/4094 folio 39 pg 21
David Howell head mar 49 copper smelter b. Llansamlet
Ann wife 49 b. Morriston
John son 24 copper smelter b. Llansamlet
David son 19 copper smelter b. Llansamlet
Robert son 15 labourer b. Llansamlet
Hannah dau 14 b. Llansamlet
Mary dau 7 b. Holland
Elizabeth Henicott grand dau 5 b. Llansamlet

[Vasquez109]

Thanks everyone!

Sorry im late getting back to this thread (which im still finding confusing!) but ive just come back from a weekend away in the Cotswolds for my anniversary.

Think i need a bit of time to digest all this, not sure if im understanding this properly.

David.

[osprey]

just ask if you're not sure.

 

[Vasquez109]

Thanks everyone! I thought id try and start with just the Williams first. Id rather do everything systematically and not do it all at the same time!

I cant find Mary Williams and her family in 1911. Or Thomas in 1891 or 1881. Is it just me using ancestry wrongly?!? If I can find Thomas in 1911, it will show how many kids from his marriage and how long he's been married. But nothing!!!!

Sorry to be a PITA!

[Vasquez109]

Its ok now. Found them in 1911!

[Vasquez109]

ok, think this is Thomas & his family

1871 Clase, Llangyfelach RG10/5448 folio 4 pg 3
Thomas Rees head mar farmer 54
Ann wife 55 b. Pillstone
John son 20
Hannah dau 19
Thomas Williams grandson 5
all born Llangyfelach except Ann 

Hi Osprey. Ive had a look at this, and the census image says Thomas William. Do you think that would be a Thomas William Rees and not my Thomas Williams?

Really struggling to find Thomas and am dubious about the 1851 and 61 census you posted if the child is in fact Thomas William Rees.

This is getting so confusing!

Thank you for all your help!

[osprey]

The image says Williams, there's a squiggle after the m and the surnames haven't been dittoed in this entry. All the Reeses are shown as Rees and Thomas as Williams, so I'd say there's no reason to think this boy is called anything other than Thomas Williams. Grandmother Ann Rees ties him in to other census entries. And her place of birth helps with earlier ones. There isn't a Pillstone in Gower, Pilton, Pitton and Ilston do exist.

If you're wondering about Mary Howells showing with her birthplace as Holland, the Cambrian index has adverts for copper refiners to work in Holland. The adverts are from the 1870s, but show that it was possible that David Howells went there to work which could explain his absence in 1851.

http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=6197