ellis and catharine edwards

[joanandkevin]

Ellis Edwards born about 1800 married Catharine Ellis 1828 lived in Dolegellau area maybe Llanderfel.
 Can anyone tell me anything about them please,
I KEEP COMING UP WITH DEAD ENDS
I know they had one child called griffith born 1828.

[gortonboy]

hi,,,there is a record of marriage banns 1828

Ellis Edwards of  Bwlch? yr Headsef? of the parish of Celynwin?  and
Catherine Ellis of Peny Bryn

in the 1841 census for  Peny Bryn,Dolgelly,Garth gyn Fawr  Merionethshire

Ellis Edwards b 1801   schoolmaster
Catherine Edwards b 1806
Catherine Edwards b 1830
Edward Edwards b 1832
Ellis Edwards b 1834
Margaret Edwards b 1836
Robert Edwards b 1839
John Edwards b 1841

all born in county

[joanandkevin]

Thankyou
  but there is no record there  of there son Griffith .
He was born in Lllanderfel in 1828 and was baptised at St Marys church 12/07/1828
That is why i am not sure they are the same parents

[dcbnwh]

There is a record of their son in Familysearch:-

Children of Ellis and Catherine Edwards:-

Griffith - 12th July 1828 - St Mary, Dolgellau
Catherine - 31 Oct 1829 - St Mary, Dolgellau
Margaret - 30 Dec 1835 - non-conformist
Gwen - 30 Sep 1849 - St Mary, Dolgellau

In 1841, Griffith seems to be living next door but his surname is given as Ellis - possibly living with his grandmother

If this is the correct family, the house is still there - near the Cross Foxes Inn

However, this doesn't tie in with being born in Llandderfel

There is a possible marriage of Griffith from Llandderfel who married a Margaret Jones in 1852 in Llanfwrog, Denbighshire, but it gives his father as Edward Edwards.

In the censuses, Margaret is from Derwen, about six miles from Llanfwrog.

Regards,
David

[joanandkevin]

Thankyou so much for your help

 Griffith did marry Margret Jones from  Deneb in 1852
 This must be the same one i am tracing. I can follow him from 1851 until his death but apart from his baptism nothing.I am just tring to put the peaces together of his parents, grandparents and his childhood
Do you have an address for the house as you said it is still there today?
I wonder why he had to live with his grandmother?

[dcbnwh]

Go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk

Leave the search box blank and enter the coordinates 276160 and 315886

This will take you to Pen y Bryn in Garthgynfawr

You can see more detail by selecting one of the old maps at the right-hand side. The 1:2500 series are the best. It might take a while for the old map to come into focus.

On the 1841 census, 80 year old Margaret Ellis is the main householder. Presumably, she is the mother of Catherine. With her are Griffith Ellis, who could be Griffith Edwards, and Anne Edwards. Ellis and Catherine are in part of the same house, as is the family of John Ellis, possibly Catherine's brother. Often, children are listed at a relatives house, possibly just staying the night or sometimes helping to look after the relative.

Griffith Edwards married Margaret Jones on 26th October 1852 in Llanfwrog.
Griffith is 23 and Margaret 19. Griffith's father is Edward Edwards, a butcher, so not the same person as the son of Ellis and Catherine.

In 1851, Griffith Edwards of Llandderfel is a servant in Tre Llanerch, Denbighshire. He is in the same house as Edward Edwards, a farmer, who was born in Derwen, the same as Margaret Jones.

Griffith and Margaret are in Bersham, Denbighshire in 1861 and 1871, Brymbo in 1881, Bersham in 1891 and 1901.

Regards,
David

[joanandkevin]

Thankyou so much for pointing me in the right direction.
Now i know the right Ellis Edwards i may be able to trace the family futher back in time .
Its so easy to pick up on the wrong person, thus deed ends

Thanks again your help is really appreciated
Im rather mixed up now seems like i have to find a new line to trace,Not sure were to go from here

[joanandkevin]

where do i go from here?
Any ideas please

[dcbnwh]

Do you think that Griffith Edwards who married Margaret Jones is the right person?

I can't find much about them, except that Griffith appears on the 1851 census.

Margaret gives her father as John Jones, a labourer. Her abode is given as Galchog, which is near Llanfwrog.

Griffith gives his abode as Ty isa'r Cefn, which is also near Llanfwrog, and near to where he was in 1851.

The witnesses were John Davies and Harriet Jones.

David