John Evans and Mary Jones_parents of Henry Robert Bennett Jones

[Gadget]

well, that confirms our findings 

Can you check the John Jones  and Ann Elias marriages  1839 and 40, please:

A couple of marriages with John Jones and an Ann Elias on same page

Sept q, Liverpool, 1839, 2o 194
June q, Liverpool, 1840, 20 184

Added - not coming up so far - maybe the parish has not been transcribed

[fairlane]

I can only find Marriage allegations - not registers

Intended marriage: Licence issued 02 Sept 1839 John Jones 21 and upwards bachelor   Joiner  Liverpool and Ann Elias 21 and upwards spinster   Liverpool -   Marriage to take place at St David's Liverpool

Intended marriage:  Licence issued 09 Jun 1840  John Jones of Liverpool  Ships steward & Ann Elias of Menai Bridge spinster - marriage to take place at St David's Liverpool

Confusing - is this the same pair not going through with first marriage or two different couples with same name? Two separate BMD entries.

[Gadget]

If he was a ship's steward he might well have gone to sea before he could marry in 1839 (there were limits to the licences).

Ann was originally born Llanbadrig,  on the 1851 - my Reply #22  above

I see you've  got him as a joiner on the 1839   - maybe a ship's carpenter. It doesn't fit with his later wealth 

[Gadget]

Odd

Maybe they weren't married in 1841 :

https://familysearch.Blimey-K49  - this not working. Try this:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ovi/


but what about William (10 on the 1851) ?

Also a possible bpt:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FM96-P5R

[wilcoxon]

Just a bit of interest. Could this be him.
 
The Wrexham Advertiser,  August 10, 1878;

The National Eistedfodd was held at Birkenhead , and a John Bennet Evans entered the `prose` competion, with a prize of £100.
The piece  he entered was a `romance describing Welsh life and character at the close of the 17th c. `

[miles_hagen_bown]

Oh how great! Must be he, a man of letters, huh?

Now, how to find a copy...

THANKS!

that is the area where he lived, 1891, Birkenhead. Elm Bank. and he grew up in Wales.

maybe he was wooing Mary Elizabeth already.

[Gadget]

One of our members has sent me details from The Welsh Builder On Merseyside*.

A summary of the relevant section:

John Jones,  Elm Bank and Anglesey   1814-1900.    He  moved from Bodffordd,  Anglesey to Liverpool  about the same time as the Elias brothers and married Ann Elias,  sister of Owen Elias, He lived  at Elm Bank,  Anfield and after her death at Chadwick Mount.   He was a deacon at Netherfield Rd  C. M. (Calvinistic Methodist) Church in 1879  and then moved to Anfield Rd. C.M. Church in 1887. He built largely in the Walton and Anfield districts. At one time he lived  in Alma Lodge  Llanfechell, Anglesey.

I have sent this to miles but include it here for completeness

My initial findings on Owen Elias:

1851:
Netherfield Road, Everton
HO107/2190/25/42
Owen Elias, 44,joiner and builder employing 19 men, b. Anglesea
Jane, wife, 27
Jane Sarah, 6
Grace Louisa, 3
William Owen, 1
Ellen Jones, ser, 32, b. Anglesea
Mary Rickett, do,  23, b. Montgomeryshire
Others born Liverpool

There are various reports  and adverts in local papers  on the family - esp. Nov  1889 about meetings of creditors of William Owen Elias (aged 1 in the above census), etc., etc.

Marriage at St Mary, Walton of Owen Elias, joiner,  and Jane Lewis  17 Nov 1841. Owen's father recorded as William Elias, Farmer.

Full details  at http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

If Owen was brother to Ann, her father is (presumably) William Elias, farmer.

* see here for book ref: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,58704.msg2226205.html#msg2226205

[Gadget]

I wonder if this is the father in 1841:

HO107/1361/3/4/10
Creigia Mawr, Llanbadrig
William Elias, 70, farmer
Mary, 15
Hugh, 2
All b. Anglesey

Added to this address -  separated with a /

John Hughes, 15, ag Lab
Eleanor Williams, 15, FS
Anne Elias, 20
William Jones, 9 months

Eureka - she was married or at least  had son William Jones with her by the looks of it.

[Gadget]

Will of William Elias, Llanbadrig, 1845 here:

http://hdl.handle.net/10107/799670

Mentions children - but no Ann