John William Barnes

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1901:

William Smith    35
Emily F Smith    34
Florence Smith    13
George W Smith    12
Rosie Smith    9
Lily Smith    6
Ivy Smith    5
Horace Smith    2
Albert Smith    1

1911:

William Smith    45
Emily Smith    44
Florence Smith    23
Lily Smith    16
Ivy Smith    15
Horace Smith    12
Alber Smith    10
Alice Smith    9
Gladys Smith    6

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On the 1911 Census it only says London for birth place. However it says Bethnal Green on the 1901 Census. There are only two births between 1893-1895 so I will order both.

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I contacted the London Metropolitan Archives as I was unable to go locally. They offer a paid search service. It took them 4 weeks to carry out research.

They recently contacted me and gave me copies of the birth records and told me that Lily E Barnes was 17 when she gave birth. Her name was listed as Lily and Lilian. They also found a birth certificate for Lilian E Barnes which I ordered.

They also found out that she was Roman Catholic so I have contacted the local Catholic church archives and they said will search for a baptism of John William Barnes and let me know if they find anything.eve

However this does mean that Lily Smith and John William Barnes may not be the parents of the John William Barnes I was searching for. It looks like Lilian Emma Barnes is the mother and not Lily Smith due to the records saying the mother of John William Barnes (Born March) was born 1909. This is also confirmed by the shipping passenger list which has Lily E Barnes and Albert Charles Alder.

What are the chances of two John William Barnes being born within 5 miles of each other in the same year and both having a mother called Lily?

Curtis.

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Forgot to update the thread.

The birth certificate for Lillian E Barnes arrived. It listed her name as Lillian Emma Barnes and date of birth as 1909-02-04. Parents are Arthur Earnest Barnes and Emma Mallinder. I have found further back on Ancestry, I may order certificates to verify.

I have found a few marriages which could of been the correct people but they all had a Lily/Lilian with the wrong date of birth and parents.

However recently I found a marriage of Emily Barnes and Edward William J Beveredge. I ordered it as she could of been listed under her middle name Emma/Emily and Edwards middle names are the same as John William/William John Barnes. I know it may not be the correct people but hopefully it is!

Regards,

Curtis

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The marriage certificate arrived and it does not have the same parents or age and the names are different too.

Any advice on what I should do next? I am still waiting for Mile End Parish Church to reply whether they have a baptism (Have already had reply from all churches in Kensington area and they could not find anything, one of them only had records up to 1925 and I need 1926)

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The marriage certificate arrived and it does not have the same parents or age and the names are different too.

Any advice on what I should do next? I am still waiting for Mile End Parish Church to reply whether they have a baptism (Have already had reply from all churches in Kensington area and they could not find anything, one of them only had records up to 1925 and I need 1926)

I am now researching my ancestry again. Can anyone advise of any suggestions? Thank you. I lost access to my old account.

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Hi Curtis

I noticed on the birth certificate that Lily Barnes was listed as a domestic cook and resident at 20 NORLAND ROAD

In the Electoral Registers for 1926 at 20 Norland Road we have

HO:  Emily Barnes
O:    George Barnes
O:    Percival Henry Barnes

Something else to work with perhaps

Claire

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Further registers reveal the same three still resident there for another few years, by 1935 we have these people, possibly more family

Arthur Edmond BARNES
Edward Charles
Emily Sarah Barnes
Percival Henry Barnes

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Right I think this is the family you may be seeking

George BARNES married Emily Sarah GARLAND 08 Dec 1895 Islington

They had these children

George Barnes 1896
Percival Henry 1898
Florence Emily M 1900
William 1903
Edward 1904
Sophia Robina 1906
LILLIE 1909  <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Arthur 1911

Claire

EDIT: Searching the new GRO index which can be used with mothers maiden surname (Garland) it would seem this is Lillie's full name

Lillian Sybil Violet BARNES born June Qtr. 1909