Marlowes Chapel/Bury Mill End

[[Ray]]

Hi

Eliza Lock 1849 Q2 Brackley 15 235

Ray

[FredRogers]

I have found on deceased online the burials of Eliza 26th November 1900 and John 28th April 1892 but also listed is a Mary SELLS.... who is buried 21st March 1924.It looks like she was born about 1837.I do not have any known link she has to the Crew family so why would she have the same burial ?Eliza Crew is aged 47 on the burial records again changing her possible birth year.She was down as age 19 in 1870 on her wedding certificate but 47 in 1900 on burial information.

[[Ray]]

Hi

1871 Eliza says she is 32 (= 1849)
1861 Eliza syas she is 12 (= 1849) Brackley St Peter
1861 AnnW says she is 26 Brackley St Peter
1851 AnnLook says she is 16 Brackley
1851 ElizaLook says she is  2 (= 1849) Brackley

26-12=14=16-2
Same family as 1851 John/Sarah parents


Birth Jun 1849 Brackley 15 235 Eliza Lock

1861 AnnW has a daughter CarolineLock(specific, her husband has a dau-in-law)
Birth Dec 1853 LOCK Caroline Brackley 3b 1

[FredRogers]

Thanks Ray ,
Its a weird one re Elizas age and Johns age.
On her w/ cert          1870  she is 19 he is 21, and in
                                 1871  she is 19 he is 20
                                  1881  she is 32 he is 29
                                  1891 she is 43  he is 40
      yet when she dies the burial scan has her 47
On the basis of assuming she was the Eliza Lock 1849 daughter of Sarah and John we would expect her to be 51 at time of death .Is it possible she had no idea of her age as she appears to be atleast 3 years younger even at time of her marriage in the December1870 we would expect her to be  21 not 19 .Would it have been seen as odd to marry a man younger than you in those days? Would there be a reason to hide your real age .On her wedding certificate her father is Joseph Locke ..could it be again that she lived with her sister and her husband was a Joseph Williams ..if we have the right Eliza in 1861 she was living with them at atleast the age of 12 so maybe saw him in a fatherly role?

[[Ray]]

Maybe pa's name was Joseph John or viceversa?
Maybe Joseph an error on the vicar's part?
Maybe / deff  they could not work out how old they were?

Maybe, whoever regd the death didn't actually know how old she was?

R

[FredRogers]

Another niggling doubt that John and Sarah may not be the correct family is that there is a John Locke in 1871 head of household living with Thomas Ward son in law ...daughter Eliza born 1849 in Brackley ..my Eliza is ofcourse married in Hemel Hempstead to John Crew by then.

[FredRogers]

I found a christening for a Elizabeth Locke in 1850 Brackley with mothers name Elizabeth Locke on familysearch..would this be an unmarried mother ?

[FredRogers]

I now believe John Locke and Sarah were possibly  my Eliza's grandparents and that it is her birth in 1850 in Brackley born to a unmarried mother Elizabeth Locke  (born 1830).I believe John and Sarah had Elizabeth in 1830 but then called another daughter Eliza later on (1849) who is on the 1851 census ...i know this Eliza is not mine as this one marries a Thomas Ward .In the 1861 census it could be my Eliza living with her aunt Ann as she is down as a lodger rather than a sister but it doesnt explain where the other 1849 Eliza is as she is not with John and Sarah in 1861 .1830 Elizabeth(1830) is a servant in 1851 .I haven't found her after that.However I have found a reference to a NEWSPAPER ARTICLE and would be grateful if anyone has access to check if it could check if it is about her as it would have been just after Eliza (1850) was born



BRACKLEY. On the application of Mr. Francillon, on the part the defendant, the hearing of the charge preferred by Elizabeth Lock, of Brackley St. Peter, against John Knibb, of the same place, was postponed to the next session.

Northampton Mercury
13/04/1850


Many Thanks !