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Marriage of Henry Aylmer Mortimer & Margaret Rees circa 1861
« on: Tuesday 28 August 12 21:40 BST (UK) »
Hi. Please has anyone got any suggestions.

I've tried at length to find the marriage of Henry Mortimer and Margaret Rees with no success.
They both appear separately in Llansannan Denbighshire in the 1861 Census (as at 31 March):

Henry: found as Henry Mortime, Lodger unm age 42(!), Artisan, Photographist, born France. Living Sarcens Head (Inn) High St,  (he should by other records be age 29 unless all remaining census's are wrong).
Margaret: recorded as Margred Rees, a servant with Perice Wynne Yorde Esq (Age (23)

Then found less than a year latter next on March 12 1862 with birth of their eldest son Harry Aylmer Mortimer (Jun) born High St, Llanfair, Llanfyllin, Denbighshire.

By 1865 when dau Margaretta Jane born they are in Builth, Breconshire;
and then 1866 when son Frederick William is born they are in Llanwrtyd where Henry establishes a photography business.

Margaret was the third daughter of a congregationalist family in Garthbeibio, Montgomeryshire so is quite away from home.  I wonder if she got pregnant and they married quickly, if at all.

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Warwick
CUL:Armstrong,Barron,Bell,Coulson,Cousin,Cowper,Dryden,  Edmondson,Hodgson,Irving,Johnston,Lowthian,McIntyre,Moor, Rutter,Scot,Watson,Dobley,Harrison
WES:Lowthian,Pearson,Sowerby
LANC:Harrison,Mortimer,Woods
YKS:Driver,Turnell,Turton
LEI:Turnell,Brewin
LDN:Moody,Ford,Jeffery,Wright
CON:Newcombe
ESS:Andrews,Linnett,Fairhead,Laver,Bedwell
LIN:Capps,Eastland,Liman,Mansfield,Pidd,Straps
DBY:Else, Norman,Oakes
MGY:Rees,Mortimer,Hughes,Humphreys
MON:Attwood,Williams,Herbert,Rumsey
France:Mortimer

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Re: Marriage of Henry Aylmer Mortimer & Margaret Rees circa 1861
« Reply #1 on: Monday 03 September 12 16:36 BST (UK) »

Have you got him in 1881/91.
There is a Henry Aylmer Mortimer mentioned in a newspaper article in 1887.
No clues to a marriage though  ???
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Re: Marriage of Henry Aylmer Mortimer & Margaret Rees circa 1861
« Reply #2 on: Monday 03 September 12 21:40 BST (UK) »
Hi
Yes... have him tracked in 1871 / 1881 / 1891 & 1901C. Henry passes away in Nov 1906 in Llanwrtyd where he is found in each of those census's.

I'd be interested in the link please to the newspaper article if you have it.

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CUL:Armstrong,Barron,Bell,Coulson,Cousin,Cowper,Dryden,  Edmondson,Hodgson,Irving,Johnston,Lowthian,McIntyre,Moor, Rutter,Scot,Watson,Dobley,Harrison
WES:Lowthian,Pearson,Sowerby
LANC:Harrison,Mortimer,Woods
YKS:Driver,Turnell,Turton
LEI:Turnell,Brewin
LDN:Moody,Ford,Jeffery,Wright
CON:Newcombe
ESS:Andrews,Linnett,Fairhead,Laver,Bedwell
LIN:Capps,Eastland,Liman,Mansfield,Pidd,Straps
DBY:Else, Norman,Oakes
MGY:Rees,Mortimer,Hughes,Humphreys
MON:Attwood,Williams,Herbert,Rumsey
France:Mortimer

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Re: Marriage of Henry Aylmer Mortimer & Margaret Rees circa 1861
« Reply #3 on: Monday 03 September 12 22:12 BST (UK) »
It`s on a site I subscribe to.

I doubt if it is the same one if he is living  in the same place for all that time, but it`s such an unusual name.

25 May 1887.
A man named Henry Aylmer Mortimer, who was one of the chief witnessnes in the trial against Currell in the Hoxton murder trial was charged with embezzling money, property of his late employers the Express Dairy Company.
The accused lodged at Flask Walk , Hampstead, where Currell had hidden for some time.
He left his employ and the company received a letter from him stating he had robbed them,  he would return the money if he was left alone but would go abroad if the law was set against him. Law was set in motion and he was apprehended in Cardiff, sentenced to four months imprisonment with hard labour.

I did search back to the time of the murder, but Mortimer is not mentioned , this is the only time .
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Re: Marriage of Henry Aylmer Mortimer & Margaret Rees circa 1861
« Reply #4 on: Monday 03 September 12 22:36 BST (UK) »
Fascinating....
you're right ...it is an unusual name. And I have never found another person by those names in any other records.
Given the mystery over his birth and marriage anything could be possible.
Henry Aylmer Mortimer's first son was Harry Aylmer Mortimer b. 12 March 1862 so he would still have been only just 15 in 1877 and probably too young (though not impossible) to have given evidence in an earlier murder trial.
If Henry senior was born in France and well travelled he could well have travelled to London for a while to support his family as they were not well off. The fact he was arrested in Cardiff reinforces a link back to Wales.
It will be interesting to see if anyone else might turn up some links to him or this murder trial.
Regards and many thanks for the info.
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CUL:Armstrong,Barron,Bell,Coulson,Cousin,Cowper,Dryden,  Edmondson,Hodgson,Irving,Johnston,Lowthian,McIntyre,Moor, Rutter,Scot,Watson,Dobley,Harrison
WES:Lowthian,Pearson,Sowerby
LANC:Harrison,Mortimer,Woods
YKS:Driver,Turnell,Turton
LEI:Turnell,Brewin
LDN:Moody,Ford,Jeffery,Wright
CON:Newcombe
ESS:Andrews,Linnett,Fairhead,Laver,Bedwell
LIN:Capps,Eastland,Liman,Mansfield,Pidd,Straps
DBY:Else, Norman,Oakes
MGY:Rees,Mortimer,Hughes,Humphreys
MON:Attwood,Williams,Herbert,Rumsey
France:Mortimer

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Re: Marriage of Henry Aylmer Mortimer & Margaret Rees circa 1861
« Reply #5 on: Monday 03 September 12 23:01 BST (UK) »
Fascinating....
Henry Aylmer Mortimer's first son was Harry Aylmer Mortimer b. 12 March 1862 so he would still have been only just 15 in 1877 and probably too young (though not impossible) to have given evidence in an earlier murder trial.

It was 1887, not 1877
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Re: Marriage of Henry Aylmer Mortimer & Margaret Rees circa 1861
« Reply #6 on: Monday 03 September 12 23:40 BST (UK) »
Well spotted..trying to work at the same time... doesn't pay.

That then suggests that could be the son.....
In the 1881C he is at 6 Court Walls, Swansea Town, Glamorgan; Drapers Assistant
And in the 1891C he has disappeared - I have not been able to find him - yet to check out shipping records to see if he goes offshore.
In 1895 he is at Cwmdaiddwr; Bachelor, Hotel manager
In the 1901C he is at 1 Church Wall, Southport Liverpool with wife; Sample Distributor. Interestingly while they had a child born Dorothy b Nov 1898 she is not with them - yet also to find.

Thanks again.
Warwick

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CUL:Armstrong,Barron,Bell,Coulson,Cousin,Cowper,Dryden,  Edmondson,Hodgson,Irving,Johnston,Lowthian,McIntyre,Moor, Rutter,Scot,Watson,Dobley,Harrison
WES:Lowthian,Pearson,Sowerby
LANC:Harrison,Mortimer,Woods
YKS:Driver,Turnell,Turton
LEI:Turnell,Brewin
LDN:Moody,Ford,Jeffery,Wright
CON:Newcombe
ESS:Andrews,Linnett,Fairhead,Laver,Bedwell
LIN:Capps,Eastland,Liman,Mansfield,Pidd,Straps
DBY:Else, Norman,Oakes
MGY:Rees,Mortimer,Hughes,Humphreys
MON:Attwood,Williams,Herbert,Rumsey
France:Mortimer

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Re: Marriage of Henry Aylmer Mortimer & Margaret Rees circa 1861
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 08 September 12 02:33 BST (UK) »
A quick post to conclude the latter paprt of this discussion.
There are three newspaper articles about the case in question. Thank you to 'Wilcoxon' for this information. 
The Illustrated Police News etc (London, England), Saturday, May 28, 1887; Issue 1215 under the heading A SEQUEL TO THE CURRELL CASE notes Henry Aylmer Mortimer jun age 25. So this is the son.

Still keen to find any marriage details of Henry Aylmer Mortimer sen and Margaret Rees.

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CUL:Armstrong,Barron,Bell,Coulson,Cousin,Cowper,Dryden,  Edmondson,Hodgson,Irving,Johnston,Lowthian,McIntyre,Moor, Rutter,Scot,Watson,Dobley,Harrison
WES:Lowthian,Pearson,Sowerby
LANC:Harrison,Mortimer,Woods
YKS:Driver,Turnell,Turton
LEI:Turnell,Brewin
LDN:Moody,Ford,Jeffery,Wright
CON:Newcombe
ESS:Andrews,Linnett,Fairhead,Laver,Bedwell
LIN:Capps,Eastland,Liman,Mansfield,Pidd,Straps
DBY:Else, Norman,Oakes
MGY:Rees,Mortimer,Hughes,Humphreys
MON:Attwood,Williams,Herbert,Rumsey
France:Mortimer