Watson in Yorkshire

[bendywendy]

Births reg for the possible children of James & Betsy:

Annie Elizabeth Dec Q 1875 Howden

William Mar Q 1877 Howden
William Henry Mar Q 1877 Howden

Florence Katherine Dec Q 1878 Howden

James Herbert Mar Q 1880 Howden

Frances Mar Q 1881 Howden


After a bit of digging, I have found out that the 1890 USA Census was destroyed along with 2 others in a fire in 1921, thats a great pity in finding out if they took all their children with them and if they survived too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census

[bendywendy]

This Marriage confirms info regarding Besty's surname:

Edward D Watson married Alice L Dumont 1 Jul 1916   @  Los Angeles, California
he 27 yrs  c1889   she 25 yrs c1891
His Parents: James Watson & Bessie Searson
Her Parents: Gustavo Dumont & Octavio Reinguen
pg: 85 digital folder No:   004540611  because this is a digital no I cannot tell you where in Los Angeles this
took place


Annie did go to USA too, but now Anna Watson

1910 Cen   - Los Angeles Assembly District 73, Los Angeles, California - T624_82; Page: 6B; Enumeration District: 0105; Image: 1286; FHL microfilm: 1374095.
Anna Watson   30, Head, white, single, Born England, F born England, M born England - Boarding House Keeper, Own A/c - Arrived USA 1887
Edward D Watson   20, brother, white, single, Born Missouri, F born England, M born England. Automobile Mechanice, Worker.
Both can Read n Write

The info above of arriving 1887 cannot be correct as brother John H was born 1885 in Missouri On their parents 1900 census they state arrived 1881
Was ages rounded -/+ for this census, as their ages are not correct or with -/+ 1/2 yrs


1920 Cen - Los Angeles Assembly District 73, Los Angeles, California - T625_114; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 394; Image: 94.
Edward D Watson   30, Head, White, Single, Born Missouri, F born Eng, M born Eng. Collector Scrap Factory
Alice D Watson   29, Wife, White, Single, Born California, F born Belgium speaks French, M born Belgium speaks French. No occupation
Both can Read,Write and speak English and live in Rented acc.


1930 Cen - Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California -  145; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 321; Image: 386.0; FHL microfilm: 2339880.
Octavia Dumont   78, Head, Widowed, White, Born Belgium, F born Belgium, M born Belgium, speaks French & English, no occ. Arrived USA 1883.
Adele H Dumont   47, dau, white, Born Belgium, F born Bel, M born Bel, speaks French & English. No Occ. Arrived USA 1883.
Edward D Watson   41, son in law, white Born Missouri, F born England, M born England, Collector in Salvage Co.
Alice L Watson   41, dau, White, Born California, F born Bel, M born Bel, Dancer at Private School
Bruce M Watson   2, grandson, white, born California, F born Missouri, M born California.
All adults can read, write and speak English. Octavia Dumont Owns his property.


1940 Cen - Valley Spring Avenue, Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California - T627_377; Page: 11A; Enumeration District: 60-1313.
Edward D Watson   48, Head, white, married, born Missouri. Credit Man, Soay Co, Salary $2000
Alice Watson   48, wife, white, born California
Bruce M Watson   12 white, born California
Octavie Dumont   89, father in law, born Belgium
All have lived in same place since 1935

bendywendy

[MarySusan]

  :)Bendywendy: Thanks again.  I have searched for and found those trees on ancestry you told me about, judigould49 and a few others as well.  I will report anything of note.  I plan on searching those in sensitive databases by first practicing using people's names and facts that I'm sure there are census' for.  Looking forward to the hunt for the Gudderson/Guthersons!  I will continue the search for the Watsons and surrounding matrilineal lines. Also those unknown Watsons on the other page are fascinating!  I want to find out who they are somehow!  For now, for me, time for bed.

I am so happy I came across this site and all you wonderful people! 

---MarySusan

[MarySusan]

Pankpop:  Thank you so much for sharing your impressive tree with me! I am still relatively new at researching, so I'm very grateful for all the advice on where to find information--I don't know how I'd have ever found them myself.
(Your unknown pictures are amazing!)

---MarySusan

[bendywendy]

Hi MarySusan
I have looked and looked and better looked for the other Watson's on the USA cen's and for marriages, but found nothing, maybe you will be successful.

I also cannot find anything for Annie/Anna after 1910 cen. Update, some info has been found.
I also cannot find anything for James & Betsy after 1900 cen nor William, James H or John H that was with them then.

Can you search for deaths/burials in in Spring Valley, Shannon, Missouri for James & Betsey and any others.
http://shannon.mogenweb.org/Cemeteries.htm

I also cannot find any of them on Passenger Lists for travelling over to USA or elsewhere, tis a mystery, unless they did travel as a family and their surname has been misspelt or mistranscribed, but I have tried searching without a surname and with surname Watson but just initials, nothing 

James could have gone ahead to find a place to live, then Betsy n children following afterwards, but again nothing found.
If James went to do farming he could have gone on scheme whereby he may have been given land to farm, (in Canada this was common, but a lot of land was unsuitable for farming)

These are interesting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_immigration_to_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Missouri

Spring Valley, Shannon, Missouri looks like it is sited inside the Sunklands Conservation Area - Shannon is sited just north of Alley Spring-State Park

b.

[bendywendy]

Found these entries in: Directories for Los Angeles
h = householder/head           r = residence         
       h is used to denote the householder/head - all others living in same place are given r


Anna/ie E Watson & Edward D Watson are not listed in the Directories, LA for 1903/1904

1905
Mrs Anna E Watson h 773  Ceres Ave.
Was the "Mrs" a misunderstanding with the printing or is this not Anna/ie E Watson/

1906 no directory found

1907
Anna E Watson   Clerk  Bon Marche  r 732  W 7th     
Edward Watson  Plumbers Hlpr  r 732  W 7th   
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1908
Anna E Watson  h 830 S Hope
Edward D Watson  Plumber  r 830 South Hope
Hope = Southeast from Verdugo rd 1 blk N of San Fernando Rd
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1909
Anna E Watson  h 830 S Hope
Edwd D Watson   r  830  S Hope      no occ noted
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1910
Anna Watson h 830 S Hope
Edwd Watson machinist r 830 S Hope               

And also listed
Gustav Dumont  patternmkr  h 1163 E 49th
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1911
Anna Watson  h  830 S Hope
Anna Watson  h  836 S Hope
Edwd D Watson  machinist  r 830 S Hope
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1912
Anna E Watson  h  830  S Hope
Edwd D Watson  r  machinist  830 S Hope
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1913
Annie E Watson  h 830 S Hope
Edwd D Watson  auto opr  r 830 S Hope             auto opr = chauffeur

And also listed
Adele H Dumont  millinery 4629 S Central av r 1163 E 49th
Alice Dumont   saleswoman  A H Dumont  r 1163 E 49th           
Octavie Dumont wid Gustav  h 1163 E 49th
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1914
Anna E Watson  h  830 S Hope
Edwd D Watson  salesman  r  830 S Hope
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1915
Anna Watson   fur rms  412+half   W 7th
Edwd D Watson  clerk  r  412+half  W 7th
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1916
Anna E Watson  h 830 S Hope
Edwd D Watson  Clerk  r 830 S Hope            

and also
Adele H Dumont   milliner  h 1162 E 49th
Alice L Dumont  milliner  r  1162 E 49th
Octavie wid Gustav Dumont  r 1162 E 49th

note that Adele is now the householder/head
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1917 & 1918 - 1920
Anna E Watson   h  830 S Hope
Edwd D Watson   collector  h 1345 E 48th  ... from now both have seperate addresses and Edwd is head/householder
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1919 no directory found
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1921
Edwd D Watson  Clerk h 1345 E 48th

I cannot find Anna listed -- marriage with different surname - moved - died
Note: h = householder/head, how did Anna/ie go from being a r = resident to h in 1 year. Was this property rented or owned by her.  It also begs the question of where is she on the 1900 census
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1922 directory not found
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1923
Edwd D Watson   Salesman   L A Soap Co h 1157 E 49th

and maybe this is Anna - did she marry a same named surname ??
Anna E Watson  wid Robt  r 4608 3rd av
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1931
Edward D Watson    Credit    h 10531 Spring Valley Lane, Van Nuys, North Hollywood, San Fernando, California 

bendywendy

[bendywendy]

very interesting this:

1940 Cen 12031 Peoria, Los Angeles - T627_374; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 60-19.
Annie E Watson, Head, 64 born England, Single, Naturalised, lived same house since 1935, no occ listed
Roy W Gibson, 23, born Montana, Nephew, Married, lived with Annie in same house since 1935, Mason, building construction, salary $1,200
Edythe Gibson, 19, niece, born Missouri, Married, lived with Annie & Roy in same house since 1935, no occ listed


Is Edythe a niece in law or are Roy & Edythe siblings or husband and wife ?  Edythe submitted all the information.
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Details of possible living people removed
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Possibilites for Annie/a, both have annonmalies:

1900 Cen Precinct 24, El Passo, Colarado Roll: 123; Page: 1B; Enumeration District: 21; FHL microfilm: 1240123.
Anna Watson, 22, white, born England, Single, Pastry Cook, both parents born England, year of migration 1894, number of years in the United States 6yrs, Naturalisation NO, then struck out with what looks like MM ?

1900 Cen Eden, Erie, New York  - 1033; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 238; FHL microfilm: 1241033
Anna Watson, Head, 21, Servant, white, born England, Single, F born England - M born Scotland, lived in United States 11 yrs, migrated 18?9

[bendywendy]

These Watson's just don't want to be found    I cannot find an   Edythe/Edith  marrying a Roy Gibson   As yet still no idea how these two are actually related to Anna/ie E Watson.  How can so many people from one family just disappear 


1920 Cen Casper Ward 1 Natrona, Wyoming  - T625_2028; Page: 32B; Enumeration District: 74; Image: 72.
William D Gibson, Head, White, 26, Married, Born Minnesota, Occ Railroad
Ethel G Gibson, Wife, White, 23, Married, Born Indiana.
Roy W Gibson, Son, White, 2  6/12, Born Montana.

I think the next cen is that of Roy, but his fathers name is different and Ethel born different

1930 Cen St Gabriel, Los Angeles, California - 173; Page: 1B; Enumeration District: 1436; Image: 1016.0; FHL microfilm: 2339908
Frank Gibson, Head, 37, Mar, Born Minnesota. No occ noted
William D Gibson, Father, 67, Born Wisconsin. Occ Water Department
Ethel Gibson, Wife, 35, Born Michigan. Occ Nurse Private Family
Roy Gibson, son, 12, Born Montana.
Frank H Gibson, son, 4, Born California

[bendywendy]

Hi

1910 Cen  Spring Valley, Shannon, Missouri - T624_824; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 0084; Image: 368; FHL microfilm: 1374837.
H S Watson, Head, 25 Born Missouri, F born England, M born England - General Farmer
Pearl Watson, Wife, 22 Born North Dakota, F born Wisconsin, M born North Dakota - born 2 children, 2 living
Ralph Watson, son, 2 Born Wisconsin, F born Missouri, M born North Dakota
Therman Watson, son, 2/12mths Born Missouri, F born Missouri, M born North Dakota
Why the initials for H S and names for the rest of family

1920 Cen  - 903; Page: 15B; Enumeration District: 112; FHL microfilm: 1240903.
Henry S Watson, Head, 36, Born Missouri, F born Eng, M born Eng - General Farmer
Pearl E Watson, wife, 34, Born South Dakota, F born Wis, M born United States
Ralph P Watson, son, 11 born Missouri, F born Miss, M born S Dak
Thurman E Watson, son, 9, born Missouri, F born Miss, M born S Dak
Wendell W Watson, son, 7, born Missouri, F born Miss, M born S Dak
Garland J Watson, son, 6, born Missouri, F born Miss, M born S Dak
Etta B Watson, dau, 2/12 mths born Missouri, F born Miss, M born S Dak

This couple had another child Edith P Watson, born Missouri abt 1921

It appears that Pearl Watson died between 1920-1930

I know from later census info that this H S Watson became Henry S/Harry S and ended up in Los Angeles as a Widow, living with a sister Elizabeth A Watson, with his 2 dau's, whereby somehow, Anna E/Annie E Watson also came to be the householder of the same property 12031 Peoria Ave, Los Angeles with Roy W Gibson & Edith Gibson & David B Gibson.

Also Eliz A Watson, A E Watson (Anna W), Roy W Gibson, Edith Gibson all show up in a Directory for 12031 Peoria Ave, LA just prior to the 1940 cen, with Anna being the Head/Householder.

Before and after this entry I have not found Eliz A Watson on census, as yet.
There is no trace of an Elizabeth A Watson c1876 born England relating to the family of James & Betsy on 1881 UK Census, so was this originally Florence Katherine Watson c1878 North Cave, Howden, E. Yorks, England and if it is, why did she also change her name.
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This is what I have found for a possible marriage between:

John H Watson to Pearl Hawkins of Richmond, County of Ray, Missouri
Marriage Lic date: 19 Jan 1907  - Marriage date: 20 Jan 1907  - Filed: 21 Jan 1907
Ancestry.com. Missouri Marriage Records, 1805-2002 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2007.
Original data: Missouri Marriage Records. Jefferson City, MO, USA: Missouri State Archives. Microfilm.

1910 Census for H S Watson & Pearl, stated they had been married 3 years, this marriage would fit for them.

So, is this the same person as what became Henry S / Harry S Watson. I cannot find another marriage to a Pearl in any of these names, other than this one for being married 3 yrs upto 1910.

I was wondering if the H in John H's name was Henry/Harry and he added the S from his mother's maiden name Searson ?? but why did he change his name, if these two people are the same one person
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I have sent MarySusan a great deal of info that I have found for these folk and some others in this same thread, but for data protection I cannot make that info public, so it is difficult for those reading this to understand how I have come to relate the above info with the family of James & Betsey Watson and their "elusive" children.

I am awaiting for MarySusan to have time to go through the info and see if she agrees with my findings, if I am correct, then why have some of these "elusive Watson children" changed their names Other Watson children still remained unfound on Census after 1900 with their parents.

bendywendy