schwarze-schwarz

[avotier]

Karl august was born  1874 in London. Had a son in 1902   called Francis.Did he marry and have any children.Hitting brickwalls.Also does anyone know of an umbrella maker for the same dates roughly 1900+ the same area.

              many thanks
                     Ann

[Gaie]

Hi Ann

Birth
Dec Qtr 1874 Shoreditch Vol 1C Page 85
Karl August SCHWARZE

1881 Census
RG11 1389 120 30
1 Cambridge Villas, Edmonton, Middlesex
Carl SCHWARZE Head 34, Umbrella & Parasol Stick Maker, b Saxony Apolda(?)
Helena Wife 29, b Prussia Elberfeld
Carl A Son 6, Scholar, b Middlesex Shoreditch
Emma M Dau 4, b Middlesex Shoreditch
Oscar Son 2, b Middlesex Shoreditch
Helena Dau 1, b Middlesex Shoreditch
George HILLER Visitor 29 Umbrella Maker, b Germany Bavaria
Marie HILLER Visitor 27, b Germany Bavaria

Marriage
Sep Qtr 1896 Bethnal Green Vol 1C Page 592
On the same page:
Helena SCHWARZE
Carl Frederick SCHWOLIUS

1891 Census (This is a little muddled  )
RG12 258 47 12
108 Mansford Street, Bethnal Green, Middlesex
Carl SCHWOLUS Head 40 Stick Manufacturer, b Germany
Helen Wife 39, b Germany
Ida Dau 3, b Bethnal Green
Adilade Dau 1, b Bethnal Green
Carl SCHWARZE Stepson 16 Carver Wood C, b Germany (!)
Marie Dau 14, b Germany (!)
Oscar Son 12, Scholar, b Bethnal Green
Helen Dau 11, b Bethnal Green
Louisa Dau 9, b Hoxton
Pauline Dau 7, b Hoxton
Elizabeth GRIGGS Servant 21, General Servant, b Hoxton

Marriage
Sep Qtr 1900 Edmonton Vol 3A Page 916
On the same page:
Carl Auguste SCHWARZE
Rosina Mary SMITH

1901 Census
RG13 1247 157 57
25 Foyle Road, Tottenham, Middlesex
Carl A SCHWARZE Head 26, Stick Carver, b City Rd, London
Rosina M Wife 29, b Cambridge

Birth
Dec Qtr 1902 Edmonton Vol 3A Page 481
Francis SCHWARZE

We can't do 1911 census look-ups, but you've now got enough information to search yourself 

KR
Gaie

[avotier]

many thanks for all the info


        Ann

[jennifer c]

There was another son called Carl born 1901 Tottenham died Dec qtr 1919.

Francis was with Carl a & Rosina at 81 Lansdowne Road Tottenham from 1928-1931 electoral roll

Jennifer

[avotier]

Many thanks for this very interesting.




               Ann

[jennifer c]

Francis married Rachel Andrews Dec qtr 1932 Newport Gwent

Died aged 89 Dec 1991 Newport Gwent born 26/8/1902

Jennifer

[jennifer c]

Strange - On line tree gives Rosina Mary Nicklos as wife of Carl A.

There is a Rosina Mary Nicklos born Cambridge 1873. I can not see a marriage for her to a Smith, so marriage certificate for Carl may be needed?

Jennifer

[jennifer c]

Francis & Rachel had a son in Edmonton in 1933 and he looks like he married in Caerleon Wales in 1956

Jennifer

[avotier]

So many thanks for all this info you have been a real great help.