Horsman Gargrave 1851 Census

[allans]

Albert Francis Horsman, BMD has born Q4 1850 Skipton
In Gargrave:
On 1861 Census with Elizabeth Alice Wildman, his mother, age 10, name 'Francis'
On 1871 Census with his mother (Elizth) name Albert.

I can not find this family on 1851 Census. They are not with her parents, Francis Horsman and Sarah.

Can anyone spot it? - Help appreciated

Thanks

Allan

[miriamkinga]

Hello

Found a possible for them on the 1851 census in the household of Thomas Wray, master printer. Matthias Wildman aged 37 a currier from Settle, Elizabeth Wildman, 28 from Leeds and Frank Preston Wildman born 1850 Leeds.

Ref: HO107 piece 2319 folio 28 page 7

Best wishes

Maria

[allans]

Thanks -  but thats not them.
 
Elizabeth Alice Horsman married John Wildman 1856 Bradford.
The MCert image says 'spinster'

In 1851 she would still have her maiden name HORSMAN.

Allan

[miriamkinga]

Hi Allan

Is this Elizabeth in 1851 : -

HO107 piece 2279 folio 102 page 16

POB Gargrave, 21, unmarried a servant in the King household in Mill Bridge, Skipton - no sign of Albert though 

best wishes

Maria

[allans]

Thanks for looking.

I dont know - I spotted that one.
There is also a John Wildman, servant, Bell Busk. Corerect age, and no sign of Abert there either.

MCert gives John's father as james - cant find Albert living with a James Wildman either.

A Puzzle!!

[miriamkinga]

Dear Allan

It is indeed a mystery. I have also tried looking under just Horsman just in case the first name was mistranscribed - but can't see any likely candidates.

If Albert F isn't with parents or grandparents in 1851 - are there any other relatives - siblings of his mother perhaps who we could try?

Best wishes

Maria

[KGarrad]

Maybe he is with his father's family?
Who was the father named on the birth certificate?

[allans]

Albert Francis, no father given, No baptism record found.

She has another child in 1856 - before the marriage to John Wildman. Again no father on BCert,
baptism is
29 apr 1856 William Walker HORSMAN s of Elizabeth Alice Gargrave
he is on 1861 census

Marriage cert has
John Wildman, bachelor, 22, father : James Wildman
Elizabeth Alice Horsman, spinster, age 24, father: Francis Horsman
bath are resident Bradford at time of marriage, Nov 1856 at Bradford parish church.
They have 2 children
Mary Ann baptised 13 Sep 1857, Gargrave
John James baptised 25 Sep 1859, Gargrave,
both entries have  "s of John Elizabeth Alice Gargrave servant"

Gargrave Burials has
26 05 1858 John WILDMAN 23 years Gargrave

Which makes the baptism for John James 'interesting'

1861 Census has Elizabeth living next door to her parents. It appears to say 'unmarried' - but this is after the marriage to and death of John WIldman
1871 census hs 'widow'

Thats all I know

Allan

[allans]

Marriage of Albert Francis, Halifax 1881, no father given