Lost Grandparents

[Alfred Smith]

In need of help finding my Great Grandmother and my Great Great Grandfather.

I have them in the 1891 census living in Mitre Street Abertillery Monmouthshire with her children.

Ann aged 22
Maria aged 16
William aged 14
Anos aged 10
Johana aged 8
And her father John aged 80

My Grandmothers name being Johanna Smith nee Sullivan born Ireland 1846 and her father John Sullivan born Ireland 1811.

Johanna listed as being a widow following the death of her husband in 1888

After this date I have been unable to find any trace of them including death certificates or marriage certificate for Johanna if she might have remarried.

Maybe a fresh pair of eyes might find something I have overlooked.

Many thanks

Alfred

[chipking]

have you considered she might of moved back to ireland

[MargP]

Hi Alfred

Can you gives the name and date of birth of Johana's husband and any children they may have had

Margp

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1901 Rg12/4936 folio 109 page  16 Abertillery

5  MItre Street
Job Griffin age 33 Blaina Monmouthshire stone mason
Annie wife age 32 rest born Aberillery
Beatrice dau age 9
Annie dau age 7
Elizabeth dau age 6
Johanna dau age 4
Hannah dau age 2
Alfred G son age 1

Enos Smith age 20 born Abertillery Monmouthshire brother in law coal hewer
David Williams boarder Coal Hewer


Pam

[patrish]

I think I may have found the correct famiy on the 1881 census in Wales.


Alfred Smith    44
Johanna Smith    35
Benjamin Smith    15
Annie Smith    12
John Smith    10
Alfred Smith    8
Maria Smith    6
William Smith    5
Thomas Smith    3
Enos Smith

I thought Alfred was down as unmarried and Johanna was a widow but its not its wife, so not much help to you 

[heywood]

Hi Alfred,

Free BMD has a possible marriage for Joanna Smith -1891 - a possible spouse being James Mahaney.

There is a death for a Johanna Mahoney in 1897.... possibilities

regards
heywood

[down-under]

This could be the marriage Anne Smith and Joseph Griffin not Job Bedwellty March quarter 1892 Monmouthshire  11a 119
But Job 1901 and 1911

Will message you Alfred

Pam

[Alfred Smith]

Johanna’s husband was Alfred Smith born 1837 Lydbrook in the Forest of Dean and he died in Abertillery 1888.

Alfred and Johanna’s children were.
Ann aged 22
Maria aged 16
William aged 14
Anos aged 10
Johana aged 8

All born in Abertillery Monmouthshire

Alfred and Johanna were married 7th June 1864 at the register office Garndiffaith Pontypool

I had considered that Johanna might have moved back to Ireland but maybe not her father at 80 years of age

[heywood]

Do you have John Sullivan in any earlier censuses?

Ages are not always reliable and there are some deaths 1891-1901 for older John Sullivans which could be him.