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Re: Birth Alfred Offord (Ford)
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 12 December 12 00:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi again Annette, why would there be no mention of Alfred in 63rd regt. did they often miss people ? we know he was there, because of the birth on his son....there were no deaths for Alfred or Elizabeth in Ireland after 1864, when records started...so Eliza could have died after Alfred was born 1851...there were no other Offord mentioned in Limerick....it is not easy is it ? Have a great day ...Rob   

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Re: Birth Alfred Offord (Ford)
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 12 December 12 01:37 GMT (UK) »
First, not all service records will have survived unfortunately.   Alfred (or whatever is actual name was) seems to have been one of the unlucky ones.   I've often come across individuals shown on the census as 'Army Pensioner' but cannot find them in the online service records.

As to the marriage of Alfred Thomas Oyford - the actual surname is Byford and his father was a Printer.   His wife was Alice Treloar (not Ireloar).   However, it is a very poor copy and was somewhat difficult to read although the name Byford is quite clear.   Her fathers occupation looks like Pension Officer to me - found her with him in 1881 and he's recorded as Navy Pensioner (surname transcribed as Preloar).

Your Alfred Thomas Offord was, as has been established, brought up by his maternal grandparents - he may never have seen his father again and would only know what his grandparents told him which was probably not much.   Such as, 'you were named after him' so as he was Alfred Thomas then he believed that was his father name.    As to 'Clerk', I see this time and time again when I look at service records - men often shown as 'Clerk' when they enlisted and again when they were discharged.   I don't know if it had the same meaning then as it does nowadays.   

Civil registration did not begin in Ireland until 1864 so that's why you wouldn't find a death entry for Eliza Offord there in the 1850's.

Sorry to be so negative but unfortunately things are not as cut and dried as we would like them to be.

The one positive now is that a) we know AT's mother was Eliza Neather and b)that she married 'Albert' Offord in 1850.    Obtaining that marriage certificate has to be a necessity to ascertain the name of his father and to hopefully clarify his own christian name which is Alfred when his son is born and when said son marries, Albert when he marries Eliza Neather - not being able to see the original records online we have no idea what they actually read only what whoever transcribed them thinks they read.   Clearly there is some confusion over his christian name which is why I think it could actually be 'Alban' as previously mentioned since a) Alban missing from UK census in 1851 and b) was a widower when he remarried in 1858 although no previous marriage in that name.

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Re: Birth Alfred Offord (Ford)
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 13 December 12 22:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annette, thanks so much for the marriage info...you are great at decipering, don't know how you do it....I looked at it for so long, and could'nt work it out..I really appreciate your help, you are so kind...I agree, it is not easy...but it does get us hooked, this research.Have a great Xmas and happy and healthy New Year....Rob     :-*

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Re: Birth Alfred Offord (Ford)
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 13 December 12 23:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annette, you were right, just checked the census...Alfred Thomas Byford was there 1891, married to Alice...I found the banns for their marriage, much easier to read...did not see that before...I thought I had found him, but no such luck...will get back to you, ..Rob   :)


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Re: Birth Alfred Offord (Ford)
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 08 June 13 17:12 BST (UK) »
Hi
I think this is my Family of Offord...Will have to double check but Alban b 1825 is the right name.
Alban Offord apparently went to Derbyshire

Father was Robert offord who was married twice firstly to Susanna Gould who possibly died in childbirth Then Frances 3 children Robert b 1827 d 1829 Alban b 1825 and Robert (as first Robert had died) 1830

Apparently Robert senior died of Gangrene caused by cutting toe nails with cut throat razor!!

Alban went to Derbyshire and his father followed when his wife Frances died.
 

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Re: Birth Alfred Offord (Ford) - Alban Offord
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 05 May 19 11:36 BST (UK) »
Hi all - coming to this late, but would like to thank everyone for helping me to solve a mystery concerning Alban Offord.  I am a descendant from his son Robert Stubbs Offord.  I had worked out Alban had joined the 63rd Suffolk as 'Albert Offord' and was searching for a first wife and possible child as there was a huge gap in his records from 1841 census to his marriage to Elizabeth Stubbs.   I'm still wondering when he went into the 63rd.   Anyway, thanks again. 

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Re: Birth Alfred Offord (Ford)
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 05 May 19 20:32 BST (UK) »
Tree on Ancestry has the 1861 Census for Alfred T UFFORD - aged 9 born Limerick, Ireland living with his Grandparents.


Gloucestershire, Prestbury

Thomas NEATHER -  age transcribed as 56 (but reads 66) Ag. Lab. born Bedford, Bristol
Emma NEATHER - wife - 53 Laundress born Stroud
Harriet NEATHER - dau - 18 Laundress born Prestbury, Glos
Alfred T UFFORD - Gd Son - 9 Scholar, born Limerick Ireland.



1841 Census, Civil Parish, Prestbury

NEATHERY/NEATHER - on Ancestry

Thomas - 45
Emma - 30
Sarah - 12
Eliza - 10
Hannah - 8
Thomas - 7
Amelia - 4
William - 2