John Joseph Fitzgerald b 1872

[wilcoxon]

This is probably his birth but before I spend more of my cash can  anyone find this man in 1881/1891 please.

Births Dec 1872   
FITZGERALD  John Joseph     Birkenhead 

1911 Joseph Fitzgerald b Birkenhead aged 40
1901  Joseph Fitzgerald b Mold  aged 27

Marriages Sep 1894  Civil marriage in Buckey  Chester Register Office
Crofts  Catherine / Fitzgerald  John Joseph   
Witness.  Walter Crofts and  Nellie McKenna

I had to buy the certificate as it was a Civil Marriage, no father named for John Joseph.
Not a good start. 

 

[CaroleW]

no father named for John Joseph

Have you checked freebmd and CheshireBMD for female Fitzgerald marriages between 1872-1881 in Cheshire?

If he was illegit and his mother married pre-1881 - he may be under her married name in the 1881 census

Doubt he is the 1901 b Mold if the 1872 birth is his as Birkenhead RD did not include Mold

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/birkenhead.html

[KGarrad]

IMHO, the 1901 and 1911 families are the same!
Father, mother and 2 children all the same names
Living in Buckley on both censuses.

1901 census says all born in Mold Parish,
1911 census says all born Buckley, except father born Birkenhead.

[wilcoxon]

Yes 1901 and 1911 are most definately the same family, but he is using the name of Joseph, marriage cert confirms him as John Joseph.
I have Crofts back in Flintshire for many years, but am stuck with Fitzgerald.

[lizdb]

1881
RG 11 3543 8 John Fitzgerald, a 9 yr old boarder

Certainly a possibility

[wilcoxon]

1881
RG 11 3543 8 John Fitzgerald, a 9 yr old boarder

Certainly a possibility

Thanks, problem is -  he is born Crewe, mother Elizabeth widow 36 is born Monmouth.

[lizdb]

birthplace is trnscribed as Crewe, but  image is unclear.

John is described as a boarder - no evidence that the Elizabeth, another boarder, is his mother - could be any relation, or none at all (though unlikely)

But why is a mother (or whatever) called Elizabeth and born Monmouth a problem? I didn't think we knew his mothers name, or have I missed something?

Not saying this IS him, but not sure it an be ruled out,  especially with the lack of other cotenders!

Think you may need to buy that birth cert.  .  . . 

[wilcoxon]

birthplace is trnscribed as Crewe, but  image is unclear.

John is described as a boarder - no evidence that the Elizabeth, another boarder, is his mother - could be any relation, or none at all (though unlikely)

But why is a mother (or whatever) called Elizabeth and born Monmouth a problem? I didn't think we knew his mothers name, or have I missed something?

Not saying this IS him, but not sure it an be ruled out,  especially with the lack of other cotenders!

Think you may need to buy that birth cert.  .  . . 

I can`t access the original image , only free transcripts on Anc,  that`s why I said Crewe was the problem, not his mother Elizabeth, yes - she could have been from anywhere.
FindMyPast has the same birthplaces.
Could you post the image so I can take a look 
Agreed, at the moment I don`t have any names at all , except for Nellie ( Ellen?) McKenna , a witness at him marriage.
It would help if I cound find him in 1891, but it`s looking as if another £10 will have to come out of the kitty 

[wilcoxon]

Thanks
Have  rechecked Cheshire BMD, and apart from John Joseph b 1872 Birkenhead , there is only this other one between 1870 /1875.
 Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1871
FITZGERALD John Francis,  Crewe Cheshire Central