early Wesleyan baptisms

[osprey]

haven't got time to check through the census entries just now, but in 1851 and 1861, the Wearnes have Bawdens lodging with them, both born Ludgvan like Ann , there's a Thomas born 1837+/- 1 and and an Edward born 1841+/- 1. So finding the parents of these boys could be the next step.  Don't think baptisms would be my first point of call as they're likely to be non-conformist.

Aaargh, just had a quick look for the 2 boys and I'd checked those census entries before without joining the dots. Parents are John & Elizabeth who both die between 1841 & 1851, so no place of birth on census.

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=1007053

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=1007081

[KGarrad]

1851 census:
HO107, Piece 1918, Folio 32, Page 26
Goldsithney, Perranuthnoe

Warne, Simon  Head  M  37  Master Mason and Constable  b St Kew
Warne, Ann  Wife  F  38  Ludgvan
Hams, William  Lodger  M  19  Apprentice  b St Kew
Bawden, Thomas  Lodger  M  14  Apprentice  b Ludgvan


Not finding Edward in 1851 (yet!), but there is this from 1861:
Reference RG09, 1591, 78, 5
Goldsithney, Perranuthnoe

Warne, Simon  Head  M  47  Master Mason Employing 4 men  b St Kew
Warne, Ann  Wife  F  48  Ludgvan
Bawden, Edward  Nephew  M  20  Mason  b Ludgvan

[KGarrad]

Aaargh, just had a quick look for the 2 boys and I'd checked those census entries before without joining the dots. Parents are John & Elizabeth who both die between 1841 & 1851, so no place of birth on census.

More than 1 Edward Bawden in Ludgvan, born 1841!!

This looks like the family:
HO107, Piece 142, Book 11, Folio 35, Page 4
Crowlas, Ludgvan

Bawden, John  M  47  Miner
Bawden, Elizabeth  F  47
Bawden, Mary  F  14
Bawden, William  M  8
Bawden, Grace  F  6
Bawden, Thomas  M  5
Bawden, Edward  M  1

[osprey]

yes, those are the entries I was thinking of. Edward is in the workhouse in Madron in 1851. The other edward doesn't have a brother Thomas and I don't think he's on a census after 1841.

[osprey]

yes, those are the entries I was thinking of. The other Edward on the 1841 census doesn't seem to appear on any later census. There's a possible for the Edward from 1861 in the workhouse in Madron in 1851, not surprising as both of his parents died.

[jmusher]

I am taking my time to go though everything you have written to make sure I understand it all, and dont miss anything important.

Looking at the 1841 census gives a birth date of about 1771 for Williams father, as you said his father was probably a William too (as he was listed as junior on his marriage) what do you think of this entry?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JSMZ-VH2

I also note that Samuel and Simon appear to be born 2 years apart judging from the two different census -maybe brothers? Both marrying an Ann Bawden though... Notably the Anns appear to be born three years apart as well. So definitely family of some description, but not the same people. (Of course I know that census data was very heavily rounded, but Simon is unlikely to be Samuel...right?)

[jmusher]

More than 1 Edward Bawden in Ludgvan, born 1841!!

This looks like the family:
HO107, Piece 142, Book 11, Folio 35, Page 4
Crowlas, Ludgvan

Bawden, John  M  47  Miner
Bawden, Elizabeth  F  47
Bawden, Mary  F  14
Bawden, William  M  8
Bawden, Grace  F  6
Bawden, Thomas  M  5
Bawden, Edward  M  1

yes, those are the entries I was thinking of. Edward is in the workhouse in Madron in 1851. The other edward doesn't have a brother Thomas and I don't think he's on a census after 1841.

That household HAS to be family. Most (actually all) of those names have reappeared in the family a number of times.

[jmusher]

Hi again KGarrad! Thank very much you for your help

[jmusher]

Looking at the Marriage record for William Bawden and Ann Hoskin in 1792, I see that Ann Hoskin's witness (maybe father?) signs Anthony Hosking (with a G) and the Bawdens most assuredly sign with an Bawden rather than Bowden. Brilliant!

On the facing page I came across this marriage For John Rowe and Elizabeth Waters at Perranuthnoe, with William Bawden senior and junior as Witnesses. No idea if it might help, but here it is:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11093-96647-81?cc=1769414&wc=MMVH-VQF:n484473889