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William JEFFEY/Mary TOY
« on: Saturday 24 November 12 04:03 GMT (UK) »
Need help please Finding Birth
Royal Albert, 663 tons, Captain W. Panchard, from Plymouth 21st December 1856, arrived at Port Adelaide, South Australia 29th March 1857
Jeffery, William 19 Miner  Redruth, Cornwall
Mary (Toy) 19
These are my gggrandparents .. cant find marriage in Sth Aust no his birth in Cornwall
On several records here he is William Barrett Jeffery.

on 1841 Census I think this might be him ?????

Piece: HO107/143/17 Place: Penwith -Cornwall Enumeration District: 12
Civil Parish: Redruth Ecclesiastical Parish: -Folio: 49 Page: 5 Address: Mount Zion
BARRETT William M 50 Publican Cornwall
BARRETT Eliza F 55 Cornwall
BARRETT Wm Jane M 18 Ag Lab Cornwall
BARRETT Mary Ann F 20 Cornwall
JEFFERY William M 2 Cornwall
JEFFERY Mark M 10m Cornwall

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SMITH.. Cellardyke, Fife, Scotland
GERRARD ..Pittenweem, St Monance, Fife
DEWAR..Kikcaldy.. Fife
CRICHTON...Fife
GRUBB .. Crail, Fife
HAMILTON .. St Andrews and St Leonards, Fife
BALFOUR, Ferry Port on Craig, Fife
WATT ..  Cellardyke
PROUDFOOT & CRAWFORD.. Torryburn Fife
EISEN   PHILLIPS, WISEMAN ..Sth Australia
CRICHTON Victoria,Aust.
WISEMAN..Barrow, Suffolk
VANT.. Yorkshire & Kent

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Re: William JEFFEY/Mary TOY
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 24 November 12 09:47 GMT (UK) »
They married Q3/1856, the birth was registered in Redruth, Cornwall,
Vol 5C - page 437. There were 7 Births for William in Cornwall 1838/39 including 3 in Redruth.

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Re: William JEFFEY/Mary TOY
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 24 November 12 13:01 GMT (UK) »
1851 William B JEFFERY born  c 1840 Redruth and Mark Jeffrey c 1841 Redruth are the Grand or Great Nephews of William/Elizabeth Barret.
There is also a Ann J 1842.
HO107/1915/45/29

1861 Mark is Married and still with the Barretts
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Re: William JEFFEY/Mary TOY
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 24 November 12 13:58 GMT (UK) »
Possible Marriage for William BARRAT to Elizabeth JANE, 15 June 1814, Ruan Lanihorne on Cornwall OPC.

There are Janes in the Household in 1851.


Not that this is much help at this Stage..

Doesnt William Jeffreys Australian Death Cert name his Parents?

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Re: William JEFFEY/Mary TOY
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 24 November 12 22:52 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your help trish and kilwinning
South Aust death certs do not have Parents names b it.
so if the Barrett's are in the picture then a Jeffery might have married a Barrett which would be there parents.
Spose Marks marriage might have parents names

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SMITH.. Cellardyke, Fife, Scotland
GERRARD ..Pittenweem, St Monance, Fife
DEWAR..Kikcaldy.. Fife
CRICHTON...Fife
GRUBB .. Crail, Fife
HAMILTON .. St Andrews and St Leonards, Fife
BALFOUR, Ferry Port on Craig, Fife
WATT ..  Cellardyke
PROUDFOOT & CRAWFORD.. Torryburn Fife
EISEN   PHILLIPS, WISEMAN ..Sth Australia
CRICHTON Victoria,Aust.
WISEMAN..Barrow, Suffolk
VANT.. Yorkshire & Kent

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Re: William JEFFEY/Mary TOY
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 25 November 12 03:28 GMT (UK) »
Marriage Certs will have Fathers name and occp + Witnesses.

Marriage Regs;
William JEFFERY, Sept 1856, Redruth, 5c 437
Mary TOY on same page
Mark JEFFERY, Dec 1860, Redruth, 5c 477
Elizabeth TRELOAR on same page

1861 Census a James Jeffrey age 10, Nephew turns up also with the Barratts.
I have Tried F/S. FreeREG, Cornwall OPC ( normal and non-conformist Baptisms) and cant find any of them.

Or a Jane may have Married a Jeffrey which would still make the Children Nephews of the Barratts.


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Re: William JEFFEY/Mary TOY
« Reply #6 on: Monday 26 November 12 01:36 GMT (UK) »
I think the 1841 census really says

Wm Jeffery "do" (ditto), i.e. Barrett

and so Mark, also a "do", would also be recorded as a Barrett.

The pattern of a surname for a middle name often indicates that the parents were not married, the child was registered/baptised in the mother's surname, and the father's surname was included as a middle name. It wasn't uncommon for the child to use the father's surname later in life.

Of course, since his name appears the other way around in 1851 -- William B Jeffery -- it could be that the mother was Jeffery and the father Barrett, rather than vice versa.

Just for info too, the 3-yr-old child in 1851 who appears to be recorded as Archelaus Barrett Jane was registered with surname Jeffery -- shown as Archelaus Bennett Jane Jeffery at FreeBMD -- in Sep Q 1847 at Redruth. That's quite the tangle of surnames.

It might be worthwhile to get that birth certificate to see who the mother was and whether a father was recorded.

(Ancestry still shows the mistranscription "Archelsus" but the image there shows Archelaus and also Bennett clearly -- the Bennett is undoubtedly a mistranscription from the original document, but it is what is needed for ordering a certificate.)

Also, Ann Jane Jeffery's birth was registered Mar Q 1842 at Redruth, and Mark's Sep 1840 at Redruth. Since it really does seem they were siblings, I'd get Mark's birth certificate. Mark's age (10 months) was stated very accurately in 1841, so if William's was also, he would have been born between April 1838 and March 1839, and there is only one possible match in Redruth: Jun Q 1839, for a birth late in Mar Q 1839.

I'd certainly start with your William's marriage certificate, as suggested, to see whether a father's name is given!
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