Northam pub

[Trees]

Does any one know if the present Beaver inn in Northam was ever called the Mariner's Inn
I know John Kelly lept the Mariner's Inn (Kelly's directory 1866) and he was living in Irsha St in 1861
I just can't find any other reference to the Mariner's

[Schooner]

Hi Trees
This might help you.

In the early Censuses, West Appledore which had one main street called Irsha Street was recorded as West Street.  West Appledore was then a separate Mariners community to the East Appledore community.

The documentation for Appledore in the early days was recorded under Northam as were BDMs.

The Beaver Inn at Irsha Street in Appledore was first recorded in the early 1820’s and has kept the same name as at present. It is believed that it may have had the name earlier, but it was officially recorded in the 1820’s.  So I would suspect that the ‘Mariners Inn’ would have been a separate enterprise to the Beaver Inn.

In my own family research I have not come across a ‘Mariners Inn’ and like many old pubs they disappear in time. 
Try contacting the Appledore Maritime Museum. They have a lot of information on the local area and are very helpful.

John and Prudence Kelly were Inn Keepers as were a number of the Kelly families in Irsha Street. 
If Annie Nichols Kelly line is in your tree, please PM me.
My family line originates from Appledore and one member was the land lord of the ‘Prince of Wales’ in the 1800’s.

Hope the above helps
Kind regards
Schooner

[Schooner]

Just had another thought.

As he was a Landlord of Inns / Public houses, the original documents for his terms of the licence and dates could be held at the Appledore Museum / Devon Records office at Barnstaple, or possibly held at the local Parish Archive Records office situated in the Council building at Northam. 

Northam is 2 miles from Appledore.

Regards
Schooner

[Trees]

Many thanks schooner I have tried to find the licences of many of my pubs/inns etc they have some in Exeter among the quarter sessions books not indexed, I didn't find any in Barnstaple. Good thinking to try the museum though I remember visiting it many years ago a great little local museum. If you pm me your e mail or  contact me through my web site I will send you the Kelly  out line I have just prepared for a contact (Its not shown on my web but its a safe way to make contact) I have an Annie in the data born 1850 to Thomas (the twin) who kept the Kingsley hotel is that the one you mean?
I have these publican Kellys all linked up
Samuel KELLY son of George and Elizabeth nee Hooper
1857 Genuki
NORTHAM
Alphabetical List of Professions, Trades, Etc.
Kelly S., beer retailer and carpenter, New Ring of Bells

1861 census New Ring of Bells Cross St

John the father  brother of Samuel
1844 Pigots Directory
Northam
Inns and Public Houses
King's Head John Kelly Northam

1850 White's directory
Northam Parish / Inns & Tavens
Northam        Kings Head, John KELLY

1852 Slater's Directory
Appledore
Inns and Public Houses
King's Head John Kelly Northam

1857 Genuki
NORTHAM
Alphabetical List of Professions, Trades, Etc.
Kelly John, victualler and maltster, King's Head

1861 census Inn keeper Fore St


 John (the twin)
1844Retailer of Beer
Kelly John, West Appledore
in Pigots directory

1850 Beer House  Appledore
KELLY John
White's directory


1851 census
Occupation: victualler and joiner
   Address: West Street, Appledore

1857 Genuki directory
WEST APPLEDORE
Alphabetical List of Professions, Trades, Etc
Kelly John, beer retailer, King's Head

1861 census irsha St Inn keeper

1866 Kelly's Directory
John Kelly Mariner's Inn

Thomas twin
1871 & 1881 census Kingsley Hotel Fore Street

Brother William
1857 genuki
WEST APPLEDORE
Alphabetical List of Professions, Trades, Etc.
Kelly William, boot and shoe maker
Kelly William, victualler and boot and shoe maker, Royal George

1859 baptism
KELLY Harriet   08-Apr-1859 Parish William Kelly (innkeeper) and Mary Ann

1861 census Inn keeper Irsha St

1871 census Royal George Irsha St

It has been suggested that the Kings Head became the Kingsley and that there were probably 2 king's Heads  now I think this is dubious have you any thoughts on it? My contact says that John(twin) kept the Beaver but as you can see from the above I have him at the Mariner's hence the original question
Trees 

[Schooner]

Hi Trees

Have you contacted the ‘Beaver Inn’?  The present owner may have information on the succession line of owners / Landlords from the 1820’s to present.  May even have old pictures as does or did in the Royal George of:  Picture of William Kelly (Very large gentleman big white beard standing outside) the Inn.  The interesting thing about the Royal George was the false painted windows.

Might be worth giving the two inns a phone call if not already done so. I say this as many of the Pubs down there etc, have old pictures or items relating to the pubs history on the walls. They might even have a reference to the ‘Mariners Inn’. 

I will PM you later with the info that I have on the Kelly families.

Have you checked this website by Robin Kelly and his late wife Jackie.  They did some research for me on my Annie Nichols Kelly back in 2002 and it later showed that we share the same line.

www.kellytrees.fsnet.co.uk/appledore.html

Regards
Schooner

[Trees]

Great minds Schooner  i e mailed the Beaver last night and have my fingers crossed. My present contact sent me a copy of that Photo at thr "George" yesterday  and many other photos of graves etc  I think my file will be too big for the pm system
I think I am building up a good excuse to go back to Devon in the Spring my to do in barnstaple list is getting a bit long
Trees

[Trees]

I've been looking at the link and have a couple of differences which I will discuss with you later meanwhile the John and Prudence you mention in your first post is John the twin on my list I have Thomas and John sons of John and Sarah Sharzel as twins I notice he dosen't but that should enable you to identify who I have mentioned  

[DBH776]

Hi Schooner and Trees, have read your forum with interest as I am related to the Kelly's of Marwood and Appledore. George Kelly (Marwood) born 1732 was my 6 x gt grandfather. When some of the Marwood Kelly's moved over to Appledore for the shipping industry Mary Kelly (1797) married into the Harris family. Philip Kelly Harris (owner of Appledore shipyard) was my gt gt grandfather.  I was born in Appledore but moved away quite young (dad was in the Army) but I have had many a good pint in the Beaver!

Regards    Dave

[Schooner]

Hi Dave

I have sent you a PM with more info, but:

I am related to the Kelly line of Annie Nicholls Kelly (b:1892). Her parents were George and Mary who were a few generations later than the Marwood George.

I suspect we are connected.

Regards
Schooner