War Grave Recognition

[ainslie]

Small point:  the Iris and Daffodil were given their Royal titles after the event, in recognition of their role.

[IMBER]

It's not unusual for the CWGC to commemorate war dead in alternative locations where maintenance of the original location could not be assured.  It's just possible that there is now a satisfactory maintenance regime in place around the church and the CWGC want to erect new headstones. Presumably they think it might be appropriate to give family the opportunity to attend a ceremony.

[DGFHS-vol]

    Able Seaman Andrew Carnochan – served on the H.M.S. Marlborough, Royal Navy, and died on 3rd March 1919, aged 19. Son of William Carnochan of 114 Queensberry Street, Dumfries.

Here is a Carnochan family in Maxwelltown, Troqueer parish, except that the fathers name and age on war record don't fit.  I thought initially that the war record could be wrong but further research (see below) found the funeral details in the D&G Standard of March 8, 1919.

Source: 1901 Census records available in DG Family History Research Centre. www.dgfhs.org.uk

[ev]

I'm wondering if Andrew is the son of William Carnochan and Margaret Mckie ?
Found a reference to Margaret's death 13th Jan. 1901(before the Census) High St. Maxwelltown.
If that is his parents then he may of had older siblings William , Helen , Margaret , and James 

It also might explain why he was not with his father in 1901

Searching the free index on SP for 1911 has an Andrew Carnochan age 12 with a William Carnochan age 45 Dumfries , Dumfries

ev

Added - Think the Adam Carnochan in the 1901 Census may have been William's brother

[DGFHS-vol]

... Think the Adam Carnochan in the 1901 Census may have been William's brother

Yes, I agree with Ev.  There appear to be two Carnochan families in the Dumfries area.

A survey of Holy Cross Graveyard carried out in the 1970s, funded by MSC as part of a YOP job creation scheme, found only one Carnochan MI in Holy Cross
(Survey records are held by Ewart Library and DGFHS Research Centre.)
MI reads:
In loving remembrance of Francis CONROY who died 4th March 1899 aged 28 years. 
Also Martha HANLON wife of the above who died 10th October 1912. 
Also Annie CONROY the dearly loved wife of Adam CARNOCHAN who died June 9th 1918 in her 58th year. 
On whose soul sweet Jesus have mercy. 
Also Adam CARNOCHAN who died 18th September 1924 aged 66 years.  R.I.P. 
Requiem aeternam dona eis Domine.

That confirms that Adam Carnochan senior and Annie Carnochan recorded in Maxwelltown in 1901 are buried in Holy Cross RC graveyard.
Unfortunately there is no mention in the survey record of the family of William Carnochan father of Andrew.
Despite the reference on the Calside memorial stone, the Holy Cross survey did not record any  of the three WWI deaths referred to above in the link provided by Matt.
Hi Matt,
please identify your sources, that might help clarify things a bit.

Photographs of Holy Cross RC graveyard taken by a DGFHS volunteer can be viewed at
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dfsgal/Dumfries/Holy%20Cross/index.htm

[ev]

In 1963 the headstones were removed and the graves have remained unmarked since then.

Looks like the headstones(for the three men) were not there in the 1970's.

ev

[ev]

Scotlandspeople has a marriage Thomas DONNELY / Mary Jane Currie 1883 Dumfries , Dumfries

ev

[DGFHS-vol]

In 1963 the headstones were removed and the graves have remained unmarked since then.

Looks like the headstones (for the three men) were not there in the 1970's.
ev

Agreed, which leads me to speculate they were never erected in the first instance,
Head stones were not removed in 1963, this happened after the 1970s survey. Some were placed around the boundary wall, others were stalked one on top the other when D&G Council adopted this private graveyard. I can confirm however, that Andrew Carnochan was buried in Holy Cross in 1919.
See  funeral notice 
(source: fiche for D&G Standard held by Ewart Library and DGFHS Research Centre)