Rice surname in Offaly

[salfordlad]

Hi All
I'm am looking to find more on my surname from Offaly
Below is what I know
Thomas Rice born unknown wife E.Neil
Son(my great grandad) William born 1853 in English but on his Irish army signing up papers in 1873 living Five alleys Eglish moved to UK before 1878 as he appear in prison lol
And married in 1886 to Martha Kay
On certificate Thomas down as deceased
Looking for any info out there for my Rice line and surname
Com
 

[shanew147]

Maybe the place to start would be with William's birth to find some details of his parents - e.g. father's occuaption, and mother's Christian name

Have you located him on the 1881 or later English census returns to see if these detail where in England he was born ?


Shane

[salfordlad]

No occupation for Thomas on baptism report and his mother down as E.Neil
Nothing else on baptism report other than born in parish of Eglish.  I have not found will in 1881 but he married In1886 in beswick Manchester
Dom

[shanew147]

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Thomas Rice born unknown wife E.Neil
Son(my great grandad) William born 1853 in English but on his Irish army signing up papers
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sorry - from your post I thought you meant he was born in England ...

Unfortunately RC baptism records dont include occupations. Did you find this baptism on RootsIreland ?

There was no Irish Army at that time, just the British Army.

see : Introduction to Irish Records


Shane

[shanew147]

Griffith's Valuation, a land taxation survey, shows a possible listing for Thomas at Ballynacard townland in Eglish civil parish. He is listed as occupying a house and just over three acres of land.

see : Thomas Rice, Griffith's valution

This valuation is dated 1854. The civil parish of Eglish was one of those covered by the RC parish of the same name.



Shane

[salfordlad]

I have the-Griffith report for Thomas but I was hoping it shows full house hold LOL at least we had a house and land
It hard find more on them
I got Williams baptisem from an Irish geneology site cost 5euros
Dom

[shanew147]

Have you searched for siblings of William or a marriage for Thomas and E. ?
Baptisms of other children might give you a name for William's mother. Baptism records for Eglish RC parish seem to go back to 1806 or so, marriages to 1819

The free index on RootsIreland seems to show a Thomas Rice baptised in 1856 with mother maiden surname of Neill, also in Eglish RC parish - might be worth checking out, to see if that seems to be the same couple. The only Thomas Rice marriage I see on the Index in Eglish parish before William's baptism is back in about 1836 - but this doesn't seem to cross match with anyone with surname Neill or O'Neill..

There are several Rice households in Co. Offaly on the earlier Tithe records c1823 to 1837, but none that I see in Eglish parish. see : Tithe Applotment Books  Tithes were payments to the established church and covered agricultural land, but there were many exempted properties and towns are not usually included.


Shane

[salfordlad]

I have got 4 sibbling for William
Lucy/Margaret/Thomas died young and Thomas 1856
but I have not viewed them as funds are low in my house at moment:-(
I also cant find marriage for Thomas
wise I could view more :-(
Dom

[salfordlad]

children of William and Martha's children as on 1901/1911 census rtn for UK my line is John born 1902
William b Beswick Manchester 1888
Agnes b Beswick Manchester 1892
Margaret b Beswick Manchester 1894
Thomas b Beswick Manchester 1896
James Roderick B Salford 1899
JOHN b Salford 1902 my grandad
Lucy b Salford 1906
Elizabeth(Lizzie) 1909 Salford
William was widower in 1911 have Martha death cert
Dom
This is why i think children from Ireland are sibblings to William as names he gave his children