William Marshall returned to Canada 1919 ??

[genealogygirlais]

There is a William Marshall with Barbara and James - William is listed as 'sculptor' coming to Canada in 1920..  unfortunately it doesn't list where they are headed.  He is noted as "scotch".

Nevermind!!  I found more info - William is going to father James - never been to Canada before.  So that can be scratched off the list!

[J.J.]

Am I the only one who can't find William as born in Manitoba, nor a William Marshall occ. tailor thus far except for this one in Ontario, but only seea  Wm. Jr. in that family as born c.1871 altho haven't spotted them in 1891 yet and older children have left household by 1901. The first wife is Elizabeth (surname Mcleod? according to Dolena's marriage) but he does end up with a Mary J. in 1901   http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008188134.jpg
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/uidlinks/Links.jsp?uid=150776173

Not saying this is your man, am saying all I've spotted thus far that resembles info supplied.

Your William could have been using a middle name, or supplied his last place of residence as place of birth....
I don't have time to go downtown & rifle through directories right now for the address lookup on Victoria, but I may look in the future when I have some time...

[JaneyCanuck]

I'm not finding anything resembling these Marshalls either.

No match for this info in the 1891 census
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1891/001081-100.01-e.php
or the 1901 census
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/index.jsp


http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

No birth of a William Marshall registered in Manitoba w/in 10 years of 1886.

There is a death of a William O Marshall aged 50 (whom I can't find in 1901) in 1905 in Winnipeg.

No marriage of a William Marshall before 1888.

When a groom names a father who has the same name as himself and the same occupation as himself and is deceased, that is my cue to get suspicious. Perhaps William Jr trained as a tailor in the military because his father was a tailor; perhaps he invented a father who was a tailor because he was a tailor ...

(My gr-grfather did; he had adopted a false surname, so his father got the false surname; he was his cook, so his father was a cook -- even though his father was a mining share dealer/broker, and actually deceased ...)

[mgwhite]

We now believe William Marshall may have left the UK ( back to Canada ) in 1923 ( at least no earlier than this ) and it is likely that he remained in Guernsey from his army discharge in May 1919 until 1923 . Any further information would be helpful as our research in Guernsey hit a dead end. Thanks

[mgwhite]

Has anybody been able to trace Williams relative ( uncle )  Mr J Porter address in 1907 as 8 Victoria Road Winnipeg  Canada .Thanks

[JaneyCanuck]

"We now believe William Marshall may have left the UK ( back to Canada ) in 1923"
- can you explain on what basis?

Have you looked at outgoing passenger records at FindMyPast for instance?
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action?

William Marshall 1886 Liverpool to Halifax 1923
William Marshall 1887 Glasgow to St John 1923

and there are others will close birthdates travelling 1922-1924. I would think you need to look at passenger records to see whether you can spot him and hopefully see who was travelling with him. Since the name is so common, this is probably something you would need to do yourself, rather than someone else sifting through all the possible records. (I don't have a sub myself so can't even check those two.)

Have you looked in the 1906 census at automatedgenealogy for the Porter uncle?
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census06/

In Winnipeg, there are

John Porter aged 25 (wife Bella)
John Porter aged 34 (wife Emily, son Arthur 2)
Joseph M Porter aged 38 (a roomer, born Eng, immig 1905)

That last seems most likely to be an uncle, but there is no address shown on the image. The subdistrict was 04F. I can't seem to find a description of it:
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1906/Pages/manitoba.aspx#10

-- edit --

I am leaving what appears from here forward just for consideration but I am sure this family group has now been ruled out, as will be seen in my last post showing the 1916 census. It took a long time to do that, so I'm going to leave the info here to show the work and the reasons for ruling out.


The only William Marshall of about the right age in Winnipeg in 1906 is in subdist 01B:
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census06/ViewFrame06.jsp?id=9160

William A Marshall 32 - born England, immig 1875 (occupation not shown)
Annie 40 - born Ontario
> William 19 "
Edward 16 "
James 12 "
Margaret 3 - born Manitoba

(This apparently is not the same family as the 1891 Ontario family JJ posted:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008188134.jpg)

This is the family in1901 in Toronto:
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=105588&highlight=13

Wm Marshall, 37, born England, immig 1877
Annie, 35, born Ontario
Frances, 15, "
> Willie, 13, "
Edward, 10, "
James, 7, "


and lo and behold, WILLIAM Sr. IS A TAILOR.

Son Willie was born 17 July 1887 in Ontario.

Seems he has been found.

The 1901 and 1906 censuses can also be seen at FS:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KHJ5-V5D
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KHGN-P6G

[JaneyCanuck]

I think this would be the parents' marriage in Ontario:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FMJ2-FJJ

26 Nov 1884, William Marshall + Annie Turner, Toronto
him: aged 21 (1863), parents William and Fanny
her: aged 20 (1864), parents Thomas and Margaret

but I'm blamed if I can find any of the kids' births - or find any trace of them in Canada after 1906.

The 1901 census gives Wm Marshall's date of birth as 30 May 1863, and he is William S Marshall in the 1906 census, but there's no matching birth in England. (Annie Turner was born before registration in Ontario.)

- edit - FS transcribes it as William S and AG transcribes it as William A - it's hard to say

Actually, his birth could have been reg in the Jul-Sep quarter 1863, and there was a William Sigrist Marshall reg in West Derby in that quarter. But the parents would have been William Marshall and Emily Sigrist married 1861 in Burton. There's no William A Marshall birth in England in 1863 until the last quarter of the year.

[JaneyCanuck]

I wonder whether this could be daughter Margaret from the 1906 census, in the 1916:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KMPF-PZ3

Marguerite Marshall, 13, born Manitoba
niece of
George Marshall, 51, born England, wife Margaret, 45, born Ontario

but from the marriage record and 1881 census at FS, his parents appear to be Samuel Marshall and Jemima Dennis (married 1863 Spilsby), and in 1881 in Ontario he had siblings Samuel and Joseph:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MVN9-5NL

Just in case: he died in BC in 1922
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLGG-SBV
but I think they are probably red herrings.

Very frustrating to have identified his birth family and not be able to trace them.

[JaneyCanuck]

Found them at Anc'y in 1911 in Winnipeg by searching for Annie by birth details.

I don't have a sub for Canada so can only report what the free search says.

William S Maskell 1863
Annie Maskell 1865

Maskells in the 1911 with parents Annie and William S:

James A 1893
Margaret 1803
Walter 1906
Francis Billepen 1885
- i.e. married daughter living with them - others with that surname are:
husband Garriet 1878
daughter Maria 1910

Now if we had a clue who "Garriet Billepen" really was ...

Yay. At AG they are listed as

Maskell (?) William S, 48 (May 1863), occupation Dept Store, at 407 Sherbrooke
Maskell (?) Annie, 45 (Jul 1865)
Maskell (?) James A, 17 (Mar 1895)
?askell ? Margaret, 8 (Mar 1903)
?askell ? Walter, 4 (Nov 1906)
Bellefeu (?) Francis, 25 (Aug 1885)
Bellefeu (?) Gabriel, 32 (Dec 1878) (son-in-law)
Bellefeu (?) Marian A, 1 (Apr 1910) (granddaughter)

http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=34281

(to find them at AG, you have to search for surname Maskell and then merge the "Maskell (?)" soundex surname)

And finally, a birth registration:

http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

Walter Gerald MARSKELL
dob 30.11.1906, St Boniface (Winnipeg)

and

Margaret Josephine MASKELL
dob 14.03.1903, Winnipeg

Why the apparent surname change -- or were all the examples of Marshall wrongly transcribed?

But a father William who is a tailor, with son William virtually exactly the right age ...

Frances MARSKELL married Gabriel Bellefeuille 16 Aug 1905 in Winnipeg.

Two other Marskell marriage in Manitoba:
Phillip Wm in 1905 to Agnes Murray
William in 1910 to Minnie Edwards
Hmm.

A William Samuel Marskell was reg in Sep quarter 1863 in Romford.
But argh, in 1891 he was in England.

FS has births of
James Albert Marskell 1894 Toronto
Edward Marskell 1890 Toronto
parents William and Annie

and

William MAISKELL (obviously mistranscribed)
17 JUly 1887, Parkdale (part of Toronto)
parents William Maiskell and Annie Turner


MARSKELL and not MARSHALL?