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Re: Help with a will from 1658
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 26 December 12 11:47 GMT (UK) »
This will is documented twice at the National Archives, 2 different references, two different scribes, but identical words & probate date. This seems to be rather unusual.

I am attaching the same extract from the 'other' copy as it may help to work these 2 names out.

Edward
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Jobson - Lincolnshire, Suffolk
Needham - Lincolnshire
Wayet - Lincolnshire

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Re: Help with a will from 1658
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 26 December 12 14:05 GMT (UK) »
I think the surname may be Hindes as well.

There definitely seems to be an 'i' after the H, on the first version the dot is there on both occurrences.

The 'es' on the end of Frances matches the last 2 letters of Hindes

Thoughts please

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Scott - Lincolnshire
Jobson - Lincolnshire, Suffolk
Needham - Lincolnshire
Wayet - Lincolnshire

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Re: Help with a will from 1658
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 26 December 12 14:45 GMT (UK) »
It has taken a bit of digging but I found this on a list of Hebrew Girls names

ABRA: Short form of Hebrew Abrahamit, meaning "father of a multitude." This name was popular in 17th century England. Also spelled Avra.

Also

In Hebrew, the name Abra means- Mother of many.. Other origins for the name Abra include - Hebrew, Israeli, Italian.The name Abra is most often used as a girl name or female name.

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Re: Help with a will from 1658
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 26 December 12 16:28 GMT (UK) »
Edward,

Family Search has the following, which may be relevant, given
that your declared interests include Lincolnshire.

21 Dec 1659 Anderby Lincoln England, Abra Sweet married John Scablesby.

Re the surname, the sticking point is the first letter or letters.
In suggesting 'Hindes' I was trying to get rid of the 'y' and find a use
for the dot by forming an 'i', so thought of the older form of 'H' which
has a descender. Very unhappy with this because the lower case 'h's have no
such descender. I think that if there is a 'y', then there is no 'H', and
'S' or 'L' would be more natural. 'Lyndes' is not unknown, but what do we
do with the dot, clearly present, especially as contraction marks do not
appear to be used anywhere else?

I agree with Prue that a good further example or counter-example is needed
before judgement can be sure.

Failing that, what about a good rummage for clues in the parish records?
We would need the testators forename, parish at death, and all the names
and relationships you have been able to establish from the will, plus
witnesses.

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Re: Help with a will from 1658
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 26 December 12 17:14 GMT (UK) »
These are entries from the Anderby PRs, in addition to the marriage that veeblevort mentions.  The marriage looks more like Abia as there is definately a "dot" above the three letter, but the baptism looks more like Abra.  I have to admit my first thoughts when looking at the Will was Alice, particularly as PCC Wills are all copies and not the originals and I've noticed differences between other Original and Registered Wills when the person copying couldn't read the names.  Now I'm not sure :o
(KENT) Lingwell, Rayment (BUCKS) Read, Hutchins (SRY) Costin, Westbrook (DOR) Gibbs, Goreing (DUR) Green (ESX) Rudland, Malden, Rouse, Boosey (FIFE) Foulis, Russell (NFK) Johnson, Farthing, Purdy, Barsham (GLOS) Collett, Morris, Freebury, May, Kirkman (HERTS) Winchester, Linford (NORTHANTS) Bird, Brimley, Chater, Wilford, Read, Chapman, Jeys, Marston, Lumley (WILTS) Arden, Whatley, Batson, Gleed, Greenhill (SOM) Coombs, Watkins (RUT) Stafford (BERKS) Sansom, Angel, Young, Stratton, Weeks, Day

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Re: Help with a will from 1658
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 26 December 12 19:35 GMT (UK) »
Tks

Prue & w, I have sent you both a PM

w, I am currently trying to sort out the Waite / Wayet /Waite / Wate / etc (18 variations so far) families on my line. Having got back to Edward in Spilsby in 1617 onwards & born c1595, place as yet unknown, I have hit a bit of brickwall mainly due to the lack of PR's and other documents.

A certain Mr Cromwell has made this harder ;)

So in an effort to gain further ideas, I have been looking for other possible family members & hoping that wills may help by mentioning the same names.

This has paid off and from a combination of 3 wills I have identified Edwards' wife, her father, her siblings, and some of her nieces & nephews.

The will extracts recently posted are from other Wayte (etc) wills from around the Spilsby area dated about the same time and at this stage have no obvious link to Edward.

There must be a link to the families in Gainsborough, Tetford, Rigby, Wainfleet (amongst others) and this will just take time to explore further.

rgds

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Jobson - Lincolnshire, Suffolk
Needham - Lincolnshire
Wayet - Lincolnshire

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Re: Help with a will from 1658
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 27 December 12 03:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Edward,

Another will is being looked at (Spalding, Lincs, 1616) with a surname issue:

See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,628851.0.html

The surname appears to be 'Hutchinson' with an initial letter very similar to the
one in your will. Have a look at images in Reply #2 and see what you think.  :)

I'm certainly a lot happier than I was, that the name in your will is Hindes.

vv.

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Re: Help with a will from 1658
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 27 December 12 07:54 GMT (UK) »
Tks, I agree it is Hindes

Edward
Scott - Lincolnshire
Jobson - Lincolnshire, Suffolk
Needham - Lincolnshire
Wayet - Lincolnshire

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