Anyone going to Shropshire RO or have access to Worthen parish records?

[Mike in Cumbria]

Hello

If anyone is going to the record office and fancies a challenge, could you have a look at this please?

My great great grandmother, Jane (married name Jones) was born in Worthen in or around 1843 - 45. She shows up on a lot of censuses. as seen below:


1871 census    RG10 /2793/36 /8
Wood, Burlton
Edward Jones 1845 (26) Agricultural Labourer. Born Ruyton XI Towns, Shropshire
Jane Jones 1843 (28) Born Worthen, Shropshire
Mary Jones 1871 (0) Born Burlton, Shropshire

1881 census  RG11/2668/5 /2
Cross Keys, Burlton, Loppington
Edward Jones 1845 (36) Farm Labourer. Born Oswestry, Shropshire
Jane Jones 1843 (38)  Born Worthen, Shropshire
Jane Jones 1871 (10) Born Loppington
William Jones 1874 (7) Born Loppington  (My great grandfather)

1891 census  RG12 /2123 /101/3
Pickhill Lane, Loppington, Burlton
Edward Jones 1845 (46) Farm labourer   Born Ruyton of the XI towns
Jane Jones  1844  (47)    Born Worthen, Shropshire 

1895    Marriage Certificate  William  Edward Jones and Amy Williams.   Father: Edward Jones. Occupation Labourer.

1901 Census  RG13/2553 /167/2
Wood Farm, Burlton, Loppington, Wem
Edward Jones 1848 (53) Worker   Born Hopton, Salop   (is this a 1901 error for Ruyton?)
Jane Jones 1845 (56) Born Worthen, Salop

1911 Census  RG14PN16206 RG78PN1003 RD352 SD1 ED10 SN43
Burlton, Loppington
Edward Jones 1846 (65) widower. Farm labourer. Born Ruyton XI Towns, Salop


Although this is an important line for me, I'm having trouble getting back beyond this census data. I can't get to the record office, as I live too far away, and the Worthen parish records aren't available on line.

What would be extremely useful to know from the Worthen records would be:

Did Edward and Jane marry in Worthen (her home parish) if so - when?
Any clues about her birth, and her maiden name

I'm also struggling to find William's birth, which would tell me more about Edward and Jane but perhaps I'd better put that in a different post so as not to confuse the issue.

Many many thanks to anyone that can help with this - it's my biggest puzzler left to solve.

Mike

PS

previous related posts
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,597609.0.html
(the births identified in this thread turned out to be wrong )

[CaroleW]

Worthen came under the Montgomery registration district prior to 1870 and Forden post 1870.  As daughter Mary was 5mths old in 1871 there is a possibility they married pre-1870

There is an 1866 marriage on freebmd in Montgomery which has Jane Morris on the same page - have you already discounted it?

Edward was b Ruyten which was in the Oswestry RD - there are 2 marriages in 1866 and 1867 with a Jane on the same page

Being realistic - without knowing Jane's maiden name - how will you know if you have the right marriage?  The one way of getting that info is via a childs birth cert.

Loppington came under Wem RD but there is no birth reg for Mary who is shown as 5mths old in 1871

There are 2 William Jones births in Wem but not a William Edward

www.freebmd.org.uk

[Alberbury]

Edward Jones  Jane Morris
Mar. 7 May 1871 Ellesmere    from Family Search always helpful
Also Ruyton XI Towns down the road.
www.Melocki.org.uk just misses your family with dates, need 1861 1851 1841 Census.

[Mike in Cumbria]

Thanks both of you for your replies.

I'm just getting back into gear after Christmas and will check out all these suggestions. You are right, Carol - even seeing a marriage certificate won't tell me that I've got the right couple so birth certificates for William or Mary Jane would be the most useful step. I think I've looked at both those births you found already, but I'll have another look now.

Many thanks again. I'll let you know if I get anywhere.

Mike

[Mike in Cumbria]

Alberbury

I now remember that I semi-discounted the Edward Jones/Jane Morris wedding in 1871 because Mary Jane was baptised on 7th November 1870 in Loppington.

It could be them, of course, and I may well come back to them later.

Carole - the 1866 Montgomery marriage does look interesting and I don't remember discounting it last time.

Thanks again to both of you for your interest.

Mike

[Mike in Cumbria]

A long overdue update on this request.

I ordered the 1866 Montgomery marriage certificate, but it turned out that Edward Jones and Jane Morris married other people on the same page, not each other.

The 1871 Ellesmere Edward Jones/Jane Morris marriage is a puzzler. I can see it on Family search but I can't find it on Findmypast, whatever searches I use. Similarly, there's an Edward Jones/ Jane Hughes marriage (25th August 1867) in Oswestry that could easily be them, but that doesn't show up on FindMyPast either.

Any ideas why these marriages aren't showing up in an FindMyPast search?

Mike

[Alberbury]

Hi Mike,
Had a look today and could not find Edward Jones and Jane Morris mar. 7 May 1871 Ellesmere. Can you check free BMD.
Edward Jones and Jane Hughes mar. 25 Aug 1867 Oswestry could not find.

bp. 12 Jan 1846 Loppington  Edward son of Samuel & Elizabeth Jones of Burlton    Farmer

Samuel Jones of this Parish          he signed      871.
Elizabeth Darlington of this Parish    X mark
mar. 31 Dec 1836 Whitchurch
Pres. James (Smithers)  signed, Jane Nunnerley   signed

Your Great Great Grandfather William Jones, the dates are not covered by the Loppington fiches.

Could not find an earlier census for Edward Jones born 1845 at Ruyton XI Towns, this would really help.

Not sure about this marriage due to Edward's occupation

Edward Jones full  B.  Forgeman  of Wrockwardine Wood  F. dec.             _____
Jane Ball       age  Sp.                                                  F. Richard Ball, miner
mar. 26 Dec 1869 Wrockwardine Wood   178.
Edward signed, Jane X mark
Pres. Thomas Payne  signed,   Ellen Payne   signed

[Mike in Cumbria]

Hi Alberbury

Thanks very much for doing that lookup. The Jane Ball marriage was on my list of certificates to order (I've ordered so many Edward Jones/Jane XXX marriage certificates now!) but I didn't have it down as a likely one because of the wrong area. Now that I see Edward occupation, I'm sure that it's a definite no.

I'll check those other two marriages on Free BMD (I think I already checked and couldn't find them, but I'll do it again).

The baptism record does look interesting, despite it not being in Ruyton. I'll see if I can trace that family forward in time. Where did you get this data from?

Many thanks - you've given me some new avenues and new hope.

Regards

Mike

[Alberbury]

Yesterday at Shropshire Archives.