Wass

[matts]

morning, oh dear l am a little confused now, l got a lot of my info from family search,
l started my Wass family  tree from myself going backwards no one living to help answer questions, how ever lam all most sure from me backwards to 1821 is correct,
 ( l hope)
l also have Godfrey Wass B 1612 l have a Elizabeth Kirk as his wife, l have them as having 8 children one being Thomas Wass b1643 christened 16th Oct 1643 N W  then lam now at a lost to who Thomas  married and if the children l have listed are the correct one's if not it throws my tree completely wrong as the child Thomas b1643 son John b1671 N W is my next in line as one of my granddad, (John b1671 l have as married in 1693 to a lady called Ann, l hope l have explained myself clear enough for you to understand what l am saying, how you lovely people put up with pepole like me who really don't know what they are doing, you are really wonderful,
l might just give up on this tree it has  always  been an head ack , thank you all veryyyyyyyyyy much Regards June

[Derbysderek]

OK June.here's what we do.........you say you are sure in your journey back to 1821..this can be easily checked..then those of us who have access to Parish records can probably trace the correct line back.

i'd like you to tell me what you have in 1821 that you're sure about. I personally need to pick up your family on the census returns and work backwards......from 1841 at least..

One thing that occurs to me is that the children you have may well be right...the baptisms exist as i have shown you..and they are the children of Thomas Wass with no wife...This is a common phenomenon that far back, and is the cause of so many brick walls..the wife never gets found.....so you might well indeed have the right family..back to 1612 and Godfrey Wass..and that's pretty damn good you know!!

There are many many copies of this "Tree" on Ancestry..all copied from each other and all guessing..NONE of them have any idea at all who Thomas married!

Give us what info you have around 1841..and we'll take it from there.

Derek.

[matts]

Bless you, right here goes

My grandad James H Wass B 1879 Gt Gonerby his father was
John Frederick Wass B 1853 spittlegate Grantham, (Only Child),  his father
James Wass B 1821 Ropsley Lin'c His father
William Wass B 1782 Ropsley  His father
James Wass B 1757 B Foston Lin'c  his father
Thomas Wass B 1725 N Wingfield, Married Amy Bestwich they married in 1751 Peak Forest, then
John Wass B 1704 N W married Lydia Hopkinson
that's the info l have plus l have more that goes further back to a  Nicholal Wass B 1525 Morton Alfreton that's the furthest l go, like you say that is great, but l'm not sure if it is all correct or if the Thomas B 1643 N W is correct , blimey that all looks good, be grateful for your input if you have the time, Thank you, Regards June

[Derbysderek]

John Wass baptised NW 29.04.1704..was the son of John and Rebecca..who were not married at NW....so now I'm looking for that marriage............I have most of the baptism dates for the family you have given me........I know that area of Lincs very well...incidentally there are three John Wass baptisms at NW n the 70's...1671..1673..and 1674.........one of them being the son of John and Elizabeth!!!(nee Mottershaw)

update 15.35GMT...........John Wass married Rebecca MOTTERSHAW at Chesterfield 02.02.1703.. I'm beginning to think that all you have to do to get back on track is to dump John 1671.and accept John 1674.....lots of people married their cousins!

Just to annoy everybody including me!! I have found a burial at NW for one Martha Wass 28.10.1691 wife of Thomas.....should've kept quiet about it!!
Thomas son of Godfrey and Elizabeth 08.10.1643 is correct, but then so is John son of Godfrey and Elizabeth 19.09.1637......!!!!!!
Further edit......Thomas Wass 20.10.1725 son of John and Lydia, was a replacement for Thomas 10.04.1724.. buried 09.08.1724...sad.....

and........the 16th century Morton family was WASSE....the original spelling of WASS..
Derek.

[matts]

Wow, l need to read and re read your e-mail and alter afew things, but as much as l want to stay on line and alter my tree etc l can not do this today l have visitors for dinner (family) so got to leave it for today,so if you come across any thing tonight l will answer you tomorrow,  once again l thank you for your time, Regards June

[sunflower]

Hi June

You said you had information back to 1821 that you could prove. Where did the other information come from?

Are you sure that the North Wingfield Wass's moved to Lincolnshire?   What information have you got to prove it.

When did John Wass marry Lydia Hopkinson & where? 
I have a Lydia in my Hopkinson tree and I thought she married a John Jackson in 1734.

Carol

[matts]

Hi Carol, Looking into all your questions by sorting the ton of papers l have
don't think l can answer the  "why or if or how the Wass family came from Derbyshire over to Ropsley or why James Wass B 1821 came to be in Spittlegate Grantham in1852 or earlier, l presume some thing to do with work, l wish l did know, it seems l got a lot of info from Family Search , also l have a christening date & paper work (Not birth certificate) for James Wass b1821 in Ropsley father William Mother Ann l got that info from "Linctothepast"  site Advised by a Gent from Roots last year,
sounds like l may be barking up the wrong tree so to speak if you don't think my wass family are from derbyshire, l am getting myself all tangled up, need to try sort it out,
                               Bye for now Regards June

[Derbysderek]

Have been taking on board Carol's worry about the link between Derbyshire and Lincolnshire..and the crucial bit appears to be James Wass 1757.......

FACT....James Wass baptised Foston Lincs 04.05.1757 son of Thomas and Amy...

FACT..Thomas Wass married Amy Bestwich at Peak Forest 1751....

Crucial question..are the two Amy's the same person??..if they are then the link is proven.

Again.....FACT...James Wass married ANN ROLLS at Ropsley 05.08.1782...WILLIAM WASS baptised 28.04.1782(before the marriage??)....son of James and Ann.........

so..they appear to be the same Ann..but was the James Wass who married her the son of Thomas and Amy BESTWICH ??

Derek.

[matts]

Hello L agree with the facts, the same as what l have, but l don't know how or where to prove any, just want to cry with frustration,
l think James is the son of Thomas & Amy Bestwich, don't ask me why but as l have the same information as you have found could some one explain to me how l found that info as well , l think l found it on I G I site would have been a couple of years ago now, l have been sorting loads & Loads of paper work family search site, Ancestry, genes united, census, re reading them but nothing Say's any thing different to what l think !!!!! l know, 
As to Carols question about Lydia marrying a Wass l have not come across any info only an old e-mail l received August2011  saying that a gravestone at N W double sided one, side 1 John d 1773  age 79  says Lydia wife of John wass she d1769 also 79years also buried with them is daughter Ann d1778