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Re: A Foster Child in Nova Scotia
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 01 May 14 21:04 BST (UK) »
Hmmmm, since they were having children for that span of years...Wonder if it might have been Dart? Sarah A Mcintosh birth 1846 Nova Scotia d. 4 April 1910 Newburyport,,Massachusetts
parents Matthew V Brown & Elizabeth Dort  (spouse John F Mcintosh)
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Re: A Foster Child in Nova Scotia
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 01 May 14 23:57 BST (UK) »
and I am not sure how many Matthew Brown were in Nova Scotia but there are oddly 2 deaths, same day same details for two different forenamed Brown men...last name doesn't fit for Elizabeth, but sometimes mistakes are made from memory.

Archibald Brown Death 8 Jun 1891  Ipswich Salem, Essex, Massachusetts
Age 49 / Married / Seaman  Birth Year 1842 Nova Scotia
Father Mathew Brown b. N.S.  Mother  Elizabeth Dodge b. N. S.
Reference  v. 418  p. 458    Image Number 423

James A. Brown had exact same details so his name was perhaps James Archibald Brown?
Reference   v. 418 p. 351    Image Number 318

You can view the documents for details, C.O.D., etc.  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N7PW-9W5
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Re: A Foster Child in Nova Scotia
« Reply #20 on: Friday 02 May 14 00:28 BST (UK) »
in 1861 as surname Broun James, Josiah, Matthew, and further down the page Francis whom you'd all found earlier as Frank, then a James R or James A.  That could not be James A found in U.S. as  he's listed between 30 & 40)
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/jpg/4108870_00136.jpg
In order to follow the basic info as to ages (can be as much as a decade out as between age 30 and 40 above)  change the last number in the url ( 00137) and follow the number of the person you are searching. This can be many pages, so make sure you look at it all...under the same number line number, until the next set of listed names appears...


a James Brown age 80, widower from Ireland, parents Matthew & Martha Brown,  died 1872  https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/ItemView.aspx?ImageFile=1807-62&Event=death&ID=15774
Here is James Sr. in 1871 with Isaiah who is on the previous page along with your Mary Ann as found before!
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/jpg/4396281_00324.jpg
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/jpg/4396281_00323.jpg
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Re: A Foster Child in Nova Scotia
« Reply #21 on: Friday 02 May 14 00:54 BST (UK) »
I don't yet see that particular James A amongst this several page haystack of James Brown in Mass. U.S.who were born N.S  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z48/

But looking through them I did see a familiar name!!!! James A. Brown -Death  March 10 1892
Age 66 Birth 1826  Father James / Mother Sarah Horton
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Re: A Foster Child in Nova Scotia
« Reply #22 on: Friday 02 May 14 01:06 BST (UK) »
Well apparently, in this publication with other family... her surname was Dort!   http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z49/

There are other Brown listed put brown into the blank and hit go

some info from a tree when searching online...
Sarah Horton b. 24 Mar 1798 / Father Isaiah Horton

1838 census with James Brown the weaver in Manchester
http://www.cb-ns.org/NonMember/Cen_1838GuysboroughCo.htm
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Re: A Foster Child in Nova Scotia
« Reply #23 on: Friday 02 May 14 01:22 BST (UK) »
Christ Church Anglican, Guysborough
Dec 26, 1838  Guysboro / Matthew Brown, Bach Sandy Cove / Elizabeth Dort Spinst Sandy Cove /witnesses Jas. Or Jos. Brown, John V Dort / clergyman Charles J Shreves
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nslsatb/torbay/christ_church_marriages_files/christ_church_marriages2.htm Lots of Dort also on page
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nslsatb/torbay/christ_church_marriages_files/christ_church_marriages.htm

This site says Matthew & Eliz. had a son William Francis....so perhaps a descendant of same?
http://rodgersgen.wordpress.com/2010/04/17/isaiah-zipporah-jane-hyde-horton/

The name Valentine Dort being so popular in the generations...(father John Valentine Dort)
Here is a couple in early 18th century Germany that might be related somehow!( father Johann Valentin Dört ) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J48R-34Q
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Re: A Foster Child in Nova Scotia
« Reply #24 on: Friday 13 June 14 10:55 BST (UK) »
First of all I would like to thank you guys for putting in so much effort and coming up with great information. I haven't had the internet for over 2 months so I haven't been able to look at the thread.
I've had a few hours and I'd come up with a great theory and then had it blown out of the water haha!
The hubby will be watching the world cup tomorrow so it should give me plenty of time to do more research. In the meantime I'll tell you my theory and then one or two extra bits were found that confuse it all.
Ok, so when Mary Ann Brown was found living with Elizabeth I thought that Mary Ann nee Sullivan was living with her mother in law after both their husbands died (Elizabeth is listed as a widow and it looks like "" is done below it on Mary Ann's section too suggesting she was also widowed). Alvaretta being her daughter and the other children belonging to Elizabeth. I thought that possibly she was staying with them, but had recently been married to George Martin, which was why she turned up in both households and why she was scribbled out of Elizabeth's household.
I searched some of Elizabeth's children and found that Susan married James Sullivan(!) in 1871. Her marriage cert confirmed her parents were Matthew and Elizabeth Brown. I couldn't find anything on the other children.
As someone correctly mentioned, this Mary Ann Brown married a George Fox. At first I thought this must have been another Mary Ann Brown of the same age, but on the marriage certificate she lists her parents as Elizabeth and Matthew Brown. So it is definitely her. There is no record of a George or Mary Ann Fox on the 1871 or 1881 census, but also no death for George either.
Now here is where is gets really interesting - the witnesses to Mary Ann Brown and George Fox's marriage were Susan Brown and George Martin!

So my theory that Mary Ann was born a Sullivan, married a Brown, was widowed and married George Martin has been blown out of the water.

Now it looks like Mary Ann was always a Brown, married a Fox, had children living with her (her's out of wedlock, someone else's that she's adopted) and is married to a Martin.
Or they are two completely separate people who's lives are entwined by similar dates and names. But that seems unlikely somehow.
But if they are the same person, where have the children come from (both James and Alveretta would have been born before her marriage to George Fox) and where has the name Sullivan come from.
Or I could be going off in completely the wrong direction and missing something.

I'll be at it again tomorrow (I hope!). In the meantime, any more theories?

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Re: A Foster Child in Nova Scotia
« Reply #25 on: Friday 13 June 14 12:44 BST (UK) »
O.k. ...hmmmm....maybe you should make notes when reading what people have found for you, as that "someone" found quite a bit for you, including the marriage of Susan and James?
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Re: A Foster Child in Nova Scotia
« Reply #26 on: Friday 13 June 14 20:20 BST (UK) »
JJ,
I haven't even finished looking through all that was posted (because there was a lot), but after receiving two pm's from you chasing me about it, I thought maybe I should make time immediately to look at least at some of it.

I apologise if you don't feel that I appreciated the information you provided and that thanking you on a pm and in the thread wasn't enough but there is no need to be quite so rude. If I'd have known I'd get a sarcastic reply and a snarky pm I'd have made sure I put aside an entire day and looked at it all at once.

I thank you again from the bottom of my heart for the wealth of information that you provided, because it really was appreciated but I would now actually appreciate it if you had no further contact with me.