Help to find Marriage for Alfred henry Clements

[MargP]

Hi Bob

How are you connected to Alfred Clements, you have his birth date 15/7/1882 what record does this come from.

We need to start from the beginning with with a record which you know is correct

Margp

[jan57]

 This  is the only  record  on Free BMd , no  Alfred Henry   ,   Staines  is the RD for Sunbury
Births Sep 1882
Clements
Alfred Harvey
Staines
3a
7

[carol8353]

Hi,

Help requested to locate the marriage between Alfred Henry Clements and Ada Clements (nee ).

I am very certain Alfred Henry Clements is the son of Alfred Clements and was born 1882 in Sunbury.
The 1901 census shows he lived with his parents in Camberwell and was a Glass Packer.
The 1911 census shows he was married to Ada Clements, married for 8 years and had a child Fred.
Fred was 6 in 1911.

I have searched and searched and cannot find the marriage or the birth of Fred.

Suggestions please.

Best,
Bob

You started by saying that Alfred is with Ada in 1911,this is the only marrioage that fits.

Marriages Dec 1907   
CLEMENTS    Alfred Harvey        Greenwich    1d   1794   
SAILES    Ada Louisa         Greenwich    1d   1794   

What children did they have after 1912,as the mothers maiden name is shown then.

[dawnsh]

Hi Bob

I have just noticed that people are now posting information that has already been supplied and asking questions again that have already been asked.

In light of this I have checked the 'bulk baptisms' again that I mentioned, Alfred is definitely in the register as 'Alfred Harvey' and all the siblings baptised are exactly the same as those in the censuses.

The other sources mentioned have also been checked by others and, despite the online family trees which we all take with a very large pinch of salt, I think we all seem to be in agreement that in this instance, based on the information you are giving us, that Alfred Harvey and Alfred Henry seem to be the same person. Maybe Harvey & Henry are interchangeable as John & Jack are.

But, if possible, can we work backwards from some-one who is born in the 20th century not work forwards from the 19th century? Maybe a record has been overlooked, or an entry mistranscribed in an index.

Dawn

[PhotoBob]

That's a good point Dawn - the names could be the same (and interchanged)??

Alfred is my first cousin twice removed...or Alfred (father to Alfred) was my G.Grandfather's brother..
My mum was the Clements.
So I know all about Alfred & Mary Clements - the parents of Alfred.

I got the date (15/07/1882) from Ancestry - unfortunately no family record.
I also got the name Henry from all the census as mention in my previous post.
It all looks/ed good to me.
So are you saying Alfred Henry and Alfred Harvey are the same?

Bob

[dawnsh]

From the records that people have been finding here, it would seem so and that the records infer that he may have led a coloured/charmed life. You seem certain that the list of children that Alfred & Mary have which appear in the censuses and online trees are correct.

If you aren't sure that Alfred & Ada Sailes had more children that we can follow through, then it would seem sensible to purchase the marriage cert. If Alfred's father doesn't match then it might possibly be back to square one.

There are very few Alfred H's in the birth index 1882 +/- 2 years and you can work through the birth, marriage & death indexes and censuses for them yourself.

The only thing we can't account for are Alfred H Clements coming into the country and appearing in the records. Likewise, there may be Alfred H's emigrating.

Hope this helps.

Dawn

[PhotoBob]

Thanks for that Dawn.
The marriage cert is a must.
By the way what is/are 'bulk baptisms' you mentioned earlier?
Something special or you are just referring to the large number of siblings?

Bob

[dawnsh]

Bulk baptisms = all the siblings baptised on the same day aka a job lot 

[MargP]

Thanks for that Dawn.
The marriage cert is a must.
By the way what is/are 'bulk baptisms' you mentioned earlier?
Something special or you are just referring to the large number of siblings?

Bob

Also, according to the Army Record, he was discharged in 1908, so his occupation on the MC should be Soldier