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Re: Caroline SPENCER 1824-died after1881.Hucknall
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 29 January 13 16:08 GMT (UK) »
The Thomas Burrows, father, in 1891 is interesting. He could actually be Henry Spencer's father.

He seems to have died in 1893, death reg in Basford in December quarter, age was 81. It could be interesting to see who the informant of death was and how they were identified (relationship).

The age at death suggests that the census age in 1891 was accurate (not yet 79 in 1891, 81 in late 1893). However, I've been unable to spot a matching Thomas Burrows, born in Eastwood Notts c1813, in any previous census! Ah, here we are in 1881 in Arnold; Ancy' has him as Thomas "Barras", a complete mistranscription, widower aged 68, frame work knitter, born Beggerlee. And in 1861, I think Thomas Burrows aged 47, stocking maker, widower, in Greasley (it says born Greasley, but that's just a short walk from Eastwood), with daughter Mary, 4 (who is not his wife, for pity's sake, Anc'y!).

Hm. In 1851 he is the widowed son-in-law of Thomas and Mary Seivers in Greasley. Wife's name is transcribed as Sarah Leivars/Leivers on the marriage, 1846 Basford. So daughter Mary in 1861 came from another relationship.

Henry Spencer was born in June quarter 1856 in Basford reg dist?  Mary Burrows' birth was likely reg in Basford in Sept quarter 1856.

That Boucher-Spencer marriage looks excellent.
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Re: Caroline SPENCER 1824-died after1881.Hucknall
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 29 January 13 16:47 GMT (UK) »
Re surname Sheraton (yes, a surname as the middle name of a child of unmarried parents who was given the mother's surname is very probably the father's surname) and place Hyson Green -- there are two interesting Sheratons:

- In 1841, there is a Joseph Sheraton (Anc'y persistently transcribes Josh as Josh) aged 15+ in Hyson Green, Lenton. This shows the presence of the surname there. Joseph is in Nottingham St Mary in 1871 with son Thomas aged 8.
edit - the baptism of Joseph, son of John Sheraton and Sarah, 1826 Radford:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J33J-KZW

- A Thomas Sheraton was christened in Lenton in 1828, parents John Sheraton and Sarah.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JM8B-MMK
Anc'y has him as Thos Pheraton, aged 12, in Hyson Green, Lenton, in 1841, in a Redfern household, one page before Joseph in the census book. Thomas appears to be in Derby St Peter in the 1851 census.

Make that three: in 1861 there is a Henry Thomas Sheraton (cleverly transcribed as Henry Henry Sheraton by Anc'y), in Hyson Green with wife Emma and daughter. However, in 1841 he seems to be the son of Ralph and Elizabeth in Nottingham St Mary.
(edit: that couple's children's baptisms are in the same IGI batch as Joseph son of John and Sarah: C04664-1, Radford -- which is the same batch as for Caroline Sheraton Spencer)

Aha, but there is a third: "Ninian Theretor" (Anc'y) / "Vivian Sheraton (FamilySearch) in 1841, aged c70, a builder?, who died as "Hinion John Sheraton" (FreeBMD), i.e. Ninian John Sheraton, is also in district 3 Hyson Green in 1841. And would be of an age to be the grandfather of Joseph and Thomas.

Might Sarah Spencer have married John Sheraton after Caroline's birth?

Both John and Sarah Sheraton, parents of Thomas and Joseph, appear to be deceased by 1841, and to have died before 1837.
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Re: Caroline SPENCER 1824-died after1881.Hucknall
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 29 January 13 20:45 GMT (UK) »
Thanks so much for all your responses,a lot to ponder on.
Sorry Alexander that was a bit dim of me,Sheraton and Thornton!!
Have noticed transcription errors on Ancestry,but they are rather extensive aren't they.
Will now put it all together.
Thanks again for all the help.
Colin
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Re: Caroline SPENCER 1824-died after1881.Hucknall
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 29 January 13 21:59 GMT (UK) »
Just poking a little more -- edited to add a couple of references to my earlier post.

Looking around at FS and in the censuses, Sheraton seems to be a very Durham surname with a bit of Yorkshire. I checked Ninian Sheraton (Vivian Theretor!) in the 1841 in Hyson Green, Notts, and he is shown as not born in county. Unfortunately, he died in 1843 so there is no census record showing his place of birth.

There was another Ninian Sheraton of his generation in Durham, born c1786, in the 1841 and 1851 censuses. And there is one in Durham born c1827 (son of James). And earlier, one who married in Stepney in 1756. It's a rather unusual name on both counts, so one does suspect they are all related. And since the one in Hyson Green, Notts, was born out of county, one might suspect Durham was where the John Sheraton father of Thomas and Joseph, and maybe possibly of Caroline, or at least his family, was from.

Aha, varying the spelling at FS (ninian sher*ton), we can account for the c1786 fellow as Ninian Sherraton baptised 1785 Sedgefield Durham. Censuses show him with wife Jane; there is a presumably second marriage for him to a Jane in 1833.

Our fellow in Notts looks like Ninian John Ritson Sheriton who was married to a Sarah and had daughter Sarah in 1798 in Newark Upon Trent, Notts:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JWHZ-ZVK
There are also several Shereston/Sheriston births around that time in the same place in that batch (C06111-1) and three Shereston/Sherriston marriages (C06111-1).

In 1841 there is a Jno Ninian Sherraton (Jno Newion per Anc'y) in Bishopswearmouth, aged 40, unmarried, tea dealer.

FamilySearch has lots of trees for Ninian Sher*tons, but none seem to be for the fellow in Nottinghamshire in 1841.

But one does have a John Sheriston baptised 1805 Newark Upon Trent, son of William and Sarah (one of the ones in batch C06111-1 mentioned above):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQ5F-G31
I would have wondered whether William was a misreading of Ninian, but it's consistent across several records in that batch. Mind, that could be a transcriber's consistent misreading. Those records are consistent in time/place with the record of Sarah daughter of Ninian John Ritson Sheriton and Sarah in the same batch.

A load of people seem to have a Phoebe Sheraton born c1800 in Notts in their trees at Ancestry/Mundia, married to William Hopkin and living in Radford in 1841, but don't have parents for her. In fact, she is in Hyson Green, district 4.

According to at least one tree, that Ralph Sheraton was born in Portsea 1795, son of Ralph 1773 born in Stockton on Tees. Some of Ralph Jr's kids seem to have ended up in Canada and the US.

Aha. Ralph Sr 1773 was a brother of Ninian John 1768 -- who, the tree says, had a son John Sheraton, about which it has no info. But Ninian John's other kids were Sarah and Thomas, and their mother was Sarah, so I think probably that "William" at FS was really Ninian indeed.

And that John Sheraton would really be of an age to be the father of Joseph and Thomas (from the 1841 censuses, baptism records posted earlier) -- and possibly of Caroline Spencer ...
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Re: Caroline SPENCER 1824-died after1881.Hucknall
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 30 January 13 20:47 GMT (UK) »
Thanks so much Janey ,
That's amazing.
Best wishes
Colin
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Re: Caroline SPENCER 1824-died after1881.Hucknall
« Reply #14 on: Monday 11 February 13 21:12 GMT (UK) »
Boucher-Spencer marriage.
From the 1891 Nottingham census, Caroline Boucher - age 69,widow, all tieing up, unfortunately to spoil things ,she was born in Derbyshire Milford, not Hyson Green or Radford Notts.I cannot find her in the 1901 census,she should be there as her death was registered in October 1901.
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Re: Caroline SPENCER 1824-died after1881.Hucknall
« Reply #15 on: Monday 11 February 13 21:32 GMT (UK) »
No other census has a Caroline born 1817-1827 in Milford. So hmm. Age is definitely right.  ???
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Re: Caroline SPENCER 1824-died after1881.Hucknall
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 12 February 13 19:28 GMT (UK) »
Certainly the same Caroline Boucher,I think!
Living at same (almost) address---1881 census William Boucher 7 Carlton Court Nottingham,  1891 census Caroline Boucher 6 Carlton Court.
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